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The Bopper

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69. Understanding

Thu Nov 27, 2025, 02:21 AM

Nov 2025

That there are also "wait lists" in the USA along with NEVER GETTING needed healthcare at all is the only option for 10's of millions Americans strictly because of affordability.. some think hospitals have to treat you no matter what...NOT TRUE..they are only required to try and keep you alive in the moment and elective surgeries aren't that..

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Tens of thousands of Canadians died waiting for medical care in the past year: report [View all] OnlinePoker Nov 2025 OP

LOL n/t leftstreet Nov 2025 #1

You really need to add some context to that "LOL..." hlthe2b Nov 2025 #5

Sorry. The article is propaganda leftstreet Nov 2025 #8

that's a good point. samsingh Nov 2025 #12

Notice that report doesn't say that the 23,746 deaths were preventable. Bluetus Nov 2025 #24

Exactly leftstreet Nov 2025 #26

I think they will be getting lots of doctors from US travelingthrulife Nov 2025 #78

You need to know what treatment they were waiting for Mariana Nov 2025 #49

Exactly, and I doubt the records are accurate and consistent across countries Bluetus Nov 2025 #55

I'm the OP for this post and I just thought of something that wasn't addressed in the article. OnlinePoker Nov 2025 #64

Yes it does appear to be propaganda. ananda Nov 2025 #27

Why wouldn't that theoretical article not be propaganda? EdmondDantes_ Nov 2025 #32

Are you Canadian? leftstreet Nov 2025 #33

It's not hard to find the data: EX500rider Nov 2025 #43

In BC, you can just go to the government wait time website. OnlinePoker Nov 2025 #50

fraser institute listed as libertarian, right bias, even factual reporting niyad Nov 2025 #72

Either those are the average wait times or they aren't, and if they aren't I assume there is a article refuting them? EX500rider Nov 2025 #73

Hand waving the data as from a right wing source doesn't really count for much EdmondDantes_ Nov 2025 #63

I'm not Canadian but I am an American living in Canada. Jedi Guy Nov 2025 #66

Took me over 6 months to get appointment with a rheumatologist in Montana. Only 8 in the whole state! Attilatheblond Nov 2025 #80

"proportionally more people die in Canada waiting for medical care than in the US" Facts, please Bluetus Nov 2025 #46

Here's one estimate. EdmondDantes_ Nov 2025 #56

It might be. It might not be. Bluetus Nov 2025 #62

And NO Canadian would opt for the health care system in the U.S. It's the 3rd rail of Canadian politics. Grins Nov 2025 #77

+1 orangecrush Nov 2025 #60

2nd LOL Stacey Grove Nov 2025 #79

Any idea how that compares to the US health for profit system? rurallib Nov 2025 #2

No clue. I just had the article come across my feed and thought it might interest people. n/t OnlinePoker Nov 2025 #4

This article seems very misleading. This paragraph notes that deaths rurallib Nov 2025 #15

Yeah but why? r�is�n_dubh Nov 2025 #61

AI overview underpants Nov 2025 #10

Is this overview regarding the US, or is it re: Canada? rog Nov 2025 #36

US underpants Nov 2025 #52

Thank you. rog Nov 2025 #54

AI Overviews can't be trusted to get things right. highplainsdem Nov 2025 #40

Can't help but think of the ol 'garbage in/garbage out' re computer data Attilatheblond Nov 2025 #82

WOW, what are the U.S.'s numbers? Anyone know? jaymac Nov 2025 #3

If you count those who die uninsured, underinsured and project those number escalating next year... hlthe2b Nov 2025 #6

AI underpants Nov 2025 #11

In the US. timms139 Nov 2025 #68

Personally I'd say many delay even trying to seek care because it is a futile exercise lostnfound Nov 2025 #70

They seldom say in the USA died from COVID so expect way too rosy stats. GreenWave Nov 2025 #7

Being turned away KT2000 Nov 2025 #9

Just for background, this think tank is described as "conservative", and niyad Nov 2025 #13

Secondstreet.org is a member of the "The Canada Strong and Free Network" RockCreek Nov 2025 #21

Thanks, so they have their foot pushing down on the side of private insurance Beringia Nov 2025 #30

As suspected! SheltieLover Nov 2025 #53

Is this correlated to "what they died of" being the malady they were waiting to be seen for? AZJonnie Nov 2025 #14

see my post #15 above rurallib Nov 2025 #16

HA! Great minds think alike (and at roughly the same time) AZJonnie Nov 2025 #19

Universal coverage is needed here now, but we also need to understand the issues that will arise. Silent Type Nov 2025 #17

People act like wait times are only a thing in other countries. W_HAMILTON Nov 2025 #18

Beware beware, sounds like pee pee Pierre DoBW Nov 2025 #20

I would guess that deaths in the USA are higher. Blue Full Moon Nov 2025 #22

Did you bother to check the original source of the study? Fiendish Thingy Nov 2025 #23

"While" is quite a ways from "because of" unblock Nov 2025 #25

The questions are how many are waiting for life-saving surgery, and of those how many are waiting for donor organs andym Nov 2025 #28

The headline is deceptive. Progressive dog Nov 2025 #29

Is this propaganda Keepthesoulalive Nov 2025 #31

could it be said that tens of thousands Canadians died from waiting for care and AmandaRuth Nov 2025 #34

These articles are from moscow bot boiler rooms, they have been popping up everywhere. They disguise as news sources yaesu Nov 2025 #35

not sure what PURPOSE is intended with this post - but health results are demonstrably better stopdiggin Nov 2025 #37

This is pure propaganda from an Alberta rightwing organization... Spazito Nov 2025 #38

"Preston Manning" - look no further . . . . hatrack Nov 2025 #81

Exactly! Spazito Nov 2025 #83

Just a guess, I'd bet better than 8 out of 10 multigraincracker Nov 2025 #39

To be honest, this does sound like a 'hit piece' on this ... and if it is a 'hit piece', the question is why, who gains SWBTATTReg Nov 2025 #41

A work colleague has a torn meniscus and other issues that is locking up his knee in Toronto Melon Nov 2025 #42

It's estimated that 28,000 Canadians die every year from medical errors. Mosby Nov 2025 #44

Right wing propaganda Cirsium Nov 2025 #45

smells like Pee Pee Pierre DoBW Nov 2025 #58

Reminds me of the right wing "5 million people Whyisthisstillclose Nov 2025 #47

"Reports" that are THIS slanted deserve some other designation DFW Nov 2025 #48

I worked in Canada quite a bit, gab13by13 Nov 2025 #51

Thom Hartmann discussed this on his show a few days back rurallib Nov 2025 #57

I have two friends who married Tree Lady Nov 2025 #74

'The figures are a three per cent increase from the previous year..." maxsolomon Nov 2025 #59

This report brought to you by Blue Cross and Eli Lilly. nt Wednesdays Nov 2025 #65

It's founders and sponsors read like a rightwing wet dream. Swede Nov 2025 #67

Understanding The Bopper Nov 2025 #69

Note that the "Baby boomer generation" is coming up to its end of the road Justice matters. Nov 2025 #71

Contrast with millions of Americans? Kid Berwyn Nov 2025 #75

How many Canadians go bankrupt seeking healthcare? Ritabert Nov 2025 #76