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DFW

(60,045 posts)
37. Spot on!
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 03:52 AM
Nov 2025

My US based daughter lives in Manhattan. Most of her net income, after Federal, NY state and NY City taxes, goes for child care for her two sons. Her husband’s salary is what pays for food, mortgage on the apartment, clothes, utilities, etc. They have no fancy electronic devices (I still haven’t seen a TV in there). If either one were to lose their job, it would be a major catastrophe. They were only able to buy their apartment because they bought when the first wave of Covid hit, and many New Yorkers were having distress sales to get out of the City.

Even our younger daughter, who makes a lot of money, doesn’t always have round-the-clock child care when she needs it. Last Wednesday, when I was over in Sprout City, my wife went down to Königstein (near Frankfurt) to pick up her two daughters, ages 5 and 7, to stay with us in Düsseldorf until today, since both my daughter and her husband, who work for the same firm, had to be in London this weekend, and couldn’t take the girls with them or leave them home by theirselves. My wife is bringing them back down there this afternoon.

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American Enterprise Institute has only one wing nilram Nov 2025 #1
A fantasy snowybirdie Nov 2025 #2
I would buy this sum is accurate (even low) if one desires to live in an expensive, desirable area AZJonnie Nov 2025 #3
Why shouldn't a "lifestyle" include sports and 2 cars? leftstreet Nov 2025 #5
I think that might be his point. yardwork Nov 2025 #44
Ridiculous Greg_In_SF Nov 2025 #4
When you start with a baseline of 40% dpibel Nov 2025 #11
Well, then it Greg_In_SF Nov 2025 #14
Well, feel free to trot out the figures dpibel Nov 2025 #19
A map.... Greg_In_SF Nov 2025 #32
Now you're just being obtuse dpibel Nov 2025 #43
How dare you call me obtuse Greg_In_SF Nov 2025 #55
DURec leftstreet Nov 2025 #6
"It's laughable to put a poverty line far above the median income in the United States." mountain grammy Nov 2025 #7
Yes, talk about circular logic! yardwork Nov 2025 #45
Mr. Green's numbers sound about right. mwmisses4289 Nov 2025 #8
"minimum rent in most areas is around $2000 a month" -Extremely wrong Wiz Imp Nov 2025 #12
Be interesting to see how they came up with those numbers. mwmisses4289 Nov 2025 #13
It's from the American Community Survey Wiz Imp Nov 2025 #16
You'd have to limit the options to housing appropriate to a family of 4 EdmondDantes_ Nov 2025 #17
I was responding to the claim that minimum rent was at leas $2000 Wiz Imp Nov 2025 #23
That post mentioned families, and in the larger context of the thread EdmondDantes_ Nov 2025 #49
✋ 🙄🫨😒🧱💤🚫🫷「 ✦ Bye ✦ 」 Wiz Imp Nov 2025 #50
In my area in NC even a run-down unsafe apartment is more than $1,000. yardwork Nov 2025 #46
Green's required net income: $118,009. The $136,500 is gross. For a family of 4. Celerity Nov 2025 #26
That's another reason a lot of people Haggard Celine Nov 2025 #33
That was the reason my wife worked part time until our daughter was old enough for elementary school NickB79 Nov 2025 #41
Anyone hiring young people to six figures Johonny Nov 2025 #42
Don't know national averages but a little perspective JT45242 Nov 2025 #51
Several points here. First, "laughable to put a poverty line far above the median income" is itself laughable unblock Nov 2025 #9
The basic definition of poverty is this: Wiz Imp Nov 2025 #25
The observations have merit, even if the specific application of conclusion doesn't. unblock Nov 2025 #31
I would think for most families of 4 it's enough to live on but very little disposable income for extras. Raftergirl Nov 2025 #10
Good point Greg_In_SF Nov 2025 #15
Big jump, no? dpibel Nov 2025 #20
I see my Greg_In_SF Dec 2025 #56
LOL dpibel Dec 2025 #57
LOL!!! valleyrogue Nov 2025 #18
But I believe you've missed the point dpibel Nov 2025 #21
Residents making an annual income of up to $109,700 who are living in Marin, San Francisco, San Mateo, Santa Clara and Celerity Nov 2025 #22
To be fair, we are insane Sympthsical Nov 2025 #39
Michael Green is a moron. Wiz Imp Nov 2025 #24
This is a very convincing argument dpibel Nov 2025 #27
Disagree (after reading it fully) & the $136,500 figure is gross, his required net income: $118,009. For a family of 4. Celerity Nov 2025 #30
Spot on! DFW Nov 2025 #37
Hyperbole much? JonAndKatePlusABird Nov 2025 #40
Depends where you live. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2025 #28
People with decent incomes and wealth live beyond their means JI7 Nov 2025 #29
That seems a rather blanket statement, sorta like "every immigrant from India is a math genius" DFW Nov 2025 #48
I wouldn't call it a "poverty" line, but the "living wage" line. Below that, government subsidies are necessary. nt Blasphemer Nov 2025 #34
you lose more than you gain as you move up from very low income levels Celerity Nov 2025 #36
+1 Really good article leftstreet Nov 2025 #47
Depends on Location and Demographics DET Nov 2025 #35
The reactions to this are so goddamn illuminating WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2025 #38
While most of the posts in this thread have been about housing costs, PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2025 #52
Child care is the largest cost in the OP article's example. Larger than housing cost. Celerity Nov 2025 #54
"It's laughable to put a poverty line far above the median income in the United States." Grins Nov 2025 #53
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