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Grins

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53. "It's laughable to put a poverty line far above the median income in the United States."
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 06:24 PM
Nov 2025

Not if the median income is so low!

Been saying it for years. It's not that Americans are taxed too much, as conservatives and weasels like Kudlow, Norquist, and Moore have said for years - it's that American DON'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY! We don't have a "revenue problem;" we have an income problem.

In 2012 Mitt Romney got caught on an audio recording whining that 47% of Americans "...are people who pay no income tax." And he was right! (Forgetting that they still pay payroll taxes, state and local, sales taxes, and gas and property taxes.)

What he should have taken from that conservative bull-shittery is that 47% of Americans don't make enough money to pay any taxes! Even at the lowest 10% bracket! Their adjusted gross income was so low that more than half had incomes less than $16,812 so they didn't have to pay taxes. So said the government that created the tax tables and determined the poverty levels!

I don't think Romney is stupid. The man from Bain Capital just didn't want to pay "those people."

Did Romney argue against the 2001, 2003, 2017, and 2025 Republican tax cuts...? It is to laugh....

Piling on...
Commenting on the 2017 tax cut bill on 11 June 2019

Host: You have acknowledged that the Tax Cut and Jobs Act doesn't fully pay for itself. What percent do you think is paid for?

Rep. Kevin Brady (R-Tex.): “It's so hard to know. We will know in year 8, 9, or 10, what revenues it brought in to the government over time. So it’s way too early to tell."

Rep. Kevin Brady (R-Tex.), lead architect of the GOP tax bill, saying the GOP's tax cut bill will not fully pay for itself! Exactly the opposite what Republicans - including Brady - repeatedly said while pushing that law in late 2017; i.e., they lied.


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American Enterprise Institute has only one wing nilram Nov 2025 #1
A fantasy snowybirdie Nov 2025 #2
I would buy this sum is accurate (even low) if one desires to live in an expensive, desirable area AZJonnie Nov 2025 #3
Why shouldn't a "lifestyle" include sports and 2 cars? leftstreet Nov 2025 #5
I think that might be his point. yardwork Nov 2025 #44
Ridiculous Greg_In_SF Nov 2025 #4
When you start with a baseline of 40% dpibel Nov 2025 #11
Well, then it Greg_In_SF Nov 2025 #14
Well, feel free to trot out the figures dpibel Nov 2025 #19
A map.... Greg_In_SF Nov 2025 #32
Now you're just being obtuse dpibel Nov 2025 #43
How dare you call me obtuse Greg_In_SF Nov 2025 #55
DURec leftstreet Nov 2025 #6
"It's laughable to put a poverty line far above the median income in the United States." mountain grammy Nov 2025 #7
Yes, talk about circular logic! yardwork Nov 2025 #45
Mr. Green's numbers sound about right. mwmisses4289 Nov 2025 #8
"minimum rent in most areas is around $2000 a month" -Extremely wrong Wiz Imp Nov 2025 #12
Be interesting to see how they came up with those numbers. mwmisses4289 Nov 2025 #13
It's from the American Community Survey Wiz Imp Nov 2025 #16
You'd have to limit the options to housing appropriate to a family of 4 EdmondDantes_ Nov 2025 #17
I was responding to the claim that minimum rent was at leas $2000 Wiz Imp Nov 2025 #23
That post mentioned families, and in the larger context of the thread EdmondDantes_ Nov 2025 #49
✋ 🙄🫨😒🧱💤🚫🫷「 ✦ Bye ✦ 」 Wiz Imp Nov 2025 #50
In my area in NC even a run-down unsafe apartment is more than $1,000. yardwork Nov 2025 #46
Green's required net income: $118,009. The $136,500 is gross. For a family of 4. Celerity Nov 2025 #26
That's another reason a lot of people Haggard Celine Nov 2025 #33
That was the reason my wife worked part time until our daughter was old enough for elementary school NickB79 Nov 2025 #41
Anyone hiring young people to six figures Johonny Nov 2025 #42
Don't know national averages but a little perspective JT45242 Nov 2025 #51
Several points here. First, "laughable to put a poverty line far above the median income" is itself laughable unblock Nov 2025 #9
The basic definition of poverty is this: Wiz Imp Nov 2025 #25
The observations have merit, even if the specific application of conclusion doesn't. unblock Nov 2025 #31
I would think for most families of 4 it's enough to live on but very little disposable income for extras. Raftergirl Nov 2025 #10
Good point Greg_In_SF Nov 2025 #15
Big jump, no? dpibel Nov 2025 #20
I see my Greg_In_SF Dec 2025 #56
LOL dpibel Dec 2025 #57
LOL!!! valleyrogue Nov 2025 #18
But I believe you've missed the point dpibel Nov 2025 #21
Residents making an annual income of up to $109,700 who are living in Marin, San Francisco, San Mateo, Santa Clara and Celerity Nov 2025 #22
To be fair, we are insane Sympthsical Nov 2025 #39
Michael Green is a moron. Wiz Imp Nov 2025 #24
This is a very convincing argument dpibel Nov 2025 #27
Disagree (after reading it fully) & the $136,500 figure is gross, his required net income: $118,009. For a family of 4. Celerity Nov 2025 #30
Spot on! DFW Nov 2025 #37
Hyperbole much? JonAndKatePlusABird Nov 2025 #40
Depends where you live. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2025 #28
People with decent incomes and wealth live beyond their means JI7 Nov 2025 #29
That seems a rather blanket statement, sorta like "every immigrant from India is a math genius" DFW Nov 2025 #48
I wouldn't call it a "poverty" line, but the "living wage" line. Below that, government subsidies are necessary. nt Blasphemer Nov 2025 #34
you lose more than you gain as you move up from very low income levels Celerity Nov 2025 #36
+1 Really good article leftstreet Nov 2025 #47
Depends on Location and Demographics DET Nov 2025 #35
The reactions to this are so goddamn illuminating WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2025 #38
While most of the posts in this thread have been about housing costs, PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2025 #52
Child care is the largest cost in the OP article's example. Larger than housing cost. Celerity Nov 2025 #54
"It's laughable to put a poverty line far above the median income in the United States." Grins Nov 2025 #53
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