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Wiz Imp

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6. methinks Leavitt, Hegseth & Trump are playing a semantics game.

Mon Dec 1, 2025, 04:09 PM

Dec 2025

Leavitt told reporters that Bradley — not Hegseth — gave the order

So Bradley ordered the people who actually carried out the strike to do so. But Hegseth almost certainly gave the order to Bradley first.

So Hegseth didn't directly order the people who carried out the strike to do so (nor would anyone expect that he did). However, if he ordered the Admiral to give the order, then he is ultimately still responsible. I'd be willing to bet that is what happened here.

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Karoline Leavitt confirmed that Admiral Frank M."Mitch" Bradley had issued the order to fire on the vessel a second time [View all] Shellback Squid Dec 2025 OP

You can bet your bottom dollar that this Admiral wouldn't have ordered the 2nd strike MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2025 #1

Exactly angrychair Dec 2025 #14

If there was an audio, I would bet money it no longer exists. ananda Dec 2025 #16

I don't know, MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2025 #22

I agree. Assume nothing. Raven123 Dec 2025 #30

How many Ellsberg's have we had so far? ananda Dec 2025 #49

Affirm. orangecrush Dec 2025 #50

It was the admiral imitating Hegseth. Kablooie Dec 2025 #24

Trump will tell the Admiral to keep his mouth shut or lose his rank and pension. Irish_Dem Dec 2025 #33

That's a possibility, MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2025 #36

Yes but congress won't lose rank and pension. Irish_Dem Dec 2025 #45

This whole thing about the fisherman clinging to the wreckage and being killed is pushing my buttons. Irish_Dem Dec 2025 #46

Good call duckworth969 Dec 2025 #53

The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. Irish_Dem Dec 2025 #54

Hegseth "authorized it", and the Admiral ordered it, accordingly. thought crime Dec 2025 #62

Did you catch the recent DU popsdenver Dec 2025 #64

Yep. MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2025 #65

the situation in Venezuela popsdenver Dec 2025 #67

Department of Defense Law of War Manual Turbineguy Dec 2025 #2

methinks Leavitt, Hegseth & Trump are playing a semantics game. Wiz Imp Dec 2025 #6

Regardless, popsdenver Dec 2025 #15

The general knew that. Right? Autumn Dec 2025 #56

Well, the book is 1236 pages.... Turbineguy Dec 2025 #59

Obviously popsdenver Dec 2025 #66

If she says it, I automatically discount it as another lie Torchlight Dec 2025 #3

ditto times infinity n/t librechik Dec 2025 #4

This is why it's best to refuse unlawful orders. yardwork Dec 2025 #5

I'm just waiting for the word that bluestarone Dec 2025 #7

Let's bring the Admiral to kacekwl Dec 2025 #8

The It wasn't me defense malaise Dec 2025 #9

We're fast approaching a "You're goddamn right I did!" moment from Hegseth Prairie Gates Dec 2025 #10

The funny thing about that odins folly Dec 2025 #18

This MustLoveBeagles Dec 2025 #25

It bothers me that... Shipwack Dec 2025 #29

Ladies and gentlemen clevergrrrl Dec 2025 #11

_ LudwigPastorius Dec 2025 #12

Hegseth meet bus MustLoveBeagles Dec 2025 #27

Seems there was a German U-boat commander popsdenver Dec 2025 #13

It's ironic, too. thought crime Dec 2025 #63

THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL HE DID. Grins Dec 2025 #17

Not likely. paleotn Dec 2025 #23

Is this what Jesus would do? Jesus. twodogsbarking Dec 2025 #19

the "pro-life Christian" folk Skittles Dec 2025 #44

Dammit. The first strike was illegal Easterncedar Dec 2025 #20

yeah but this second strike is easier to prove as a war crime LymphocyteLover Dec 2025 #21

It is a grotesque analogy mr715 Dec 2025 #37

Hmm, haven't heard of that. What is that effect? LymphocyteLover Dec 2025 #55

Atomic war crimes mr715 Dec 2025 #60

oh yes, I've heard that argument... makes sense LymphocyteLover Dec 2025 #61

Extrajudicial killing is wrong Easterncedar Dec 2025 #41

Someone is going to pay the price or this. MissouriDem47 Dec 2025 #26

Admiral Bradley: witness for the prosecution. Buddyzbuddy Dec 2025 #28

This is their story mr715 Dec 2025 #31

In Russia, lower ranks always take the blame for higher ranks. Irish_Dem Dec 2025 #32

In the US, lower ranks often take the blame for higher ranks. mr715 Dec 2025 #38

Yep. The way the world works. Irish_Dem Dec 2025 #42

Shouldn't Trump have a gold-plated sign with the phrase "The Buck Stops Here" on the Resolute desk in the Oval Office? sop Dec 2025 #34

Anybody else Traildogbob Dec 2025 #35

So many questions. Clearly lots of interviews are needed. bronxiteforever Dec 2025 #39

What drives me crazy about this... Trueblue Texan Dec 2025 #40

. Zelda_Orchid Dec 2025 #43

The military, when faced with an eff up, will sacrifice the lowest ranked person who will appease the gods. Blumancru Dec 2025 #47

As soon as Democrats regain control of Congress Emile Dec 2025 #48

No words for this kwolf68 Dec 2025 #51

That is plainly illegal, and German navy war criminals were executed after WWII RockRaven Dec 2025 #52

Bradley knew the order was illegal and he gave the order to fire the second time? Autumn Dec 2025 #57

The scapegoat: dalton99a Dec 2025 #58