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EarlG

(23,252 posts)
33. Seems a bit irrelevant...
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 03:37 PM
17 hrs ago

As Just_Vote_Dem pointed out upthread, there was a Democratic primary with four candidates (Vincent Dixie, Aftyn Behn, Bo Mitchell, and Darden Copeland), and Behn won it. The Democrats in TN-7 decided upon the Democratic candidate, so outsider commentary on whether she should have been more moderate or not seems a bit beside the point.

But honestly, I feel like the old labels of "moderate," "conservative," "liberal," and even "left," and "right," are starting to seem a bit quaint these days. It feels like a change election cycle is brewing, and what we really have in America right now is "MAGA" (who are in power) and "not-MAGA" (who are not). It breaks down along pretty bright lines: If you are MAGA, then you are in the Trump cult. If you are not-MAGA, then in the eyes of MAGA you are a raging far-left communist, and that encompasses everyone from Zohran Mamdani and Aftyn Behn all the way through to Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger.

The wingnuts and pundits who are crowing that Behn could have won if she'd been less "radical" are kinda missing the point. If you win a district in 2024 by 22 percentage points and then come back one year later and win the same district by 9 percentage points, the trend is clearly heading in the wrong direction for your party. The fact that Democrats managed this with a "radical" candidate should be even more of a wake-up call to Republicans, frankly.

In 2026 voter choice will pretty much come down to whether you pull the lever for MAGA or not-MAGA, and while there are a ton of MAGA still out there (obviously there are plenty of them in TN-7), going by this week's election their numbers seem to be on the decline.

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Im pretty sure Boo1 17 hrs ago #1
Wow. senseandsensibility 17 hrs ago #4
I agree LetMyPeopleVote 17 hrs ago #28
Agree and its the same with Tennessee aeromanKC 17 hrs ago #2
I actually confused TN with KY in my OP at first senseandsensibility 17 hrs ago #6
Everyone makes mistakes MustLoveBeagles 16 hrs ago #42
Thanks senseandsensibility 16 hrs ago #50
It was Tennessee and she won a primary against 3 other Democrats Just_Vote_Dem 17 hrs ago #3
Fixed it senseandsensibility 17 hrs ago #7
Good! n/t Just_Vote_Dem 17 hrs ago #8
Progressive Democrats should definetly run ... PBC_Democrat 16 hrs ago #37
Gillum didn't lose because he was a progressive. carpetbagger 16 hrs ago #54
Aftyn Behn won 78.8% of the Nashville vote on Tuesday. Tanuki 16 hrs ago #59
I agree that Graham would have beaten DeathSantis LetMyPeopleVote 15 hrs ago #69
That narrative is what gets me in trouble with Democrats. gab13by13 17 hrs ago #5
I'm personally for the most liberal candidate in almost all situations senseandsensibility 17 hrs ago #10
Give me one example where the DNC said gab13by13 17 hrs ago #16
I'm guessing that there are Bettie 17 hrs ago #31
I don't really care what the DNC thinks senseandsensibility 17 hrs ago #32
i saw them tank a progressive for a moderate. they lost. we got roscum. mopinko 15 hrs ago #65
I'm with you gab Docreed2003 16 hrs ago #48
I kind of doubt it. yardwork 17 hrs ago #9
Yes, I agree that the more progressive senseandsensibility 17 hrs ago #11
I think that's what we need. yardwork 17 hrs ago #13
Agree 👍 anciano 17 hrs ago #12
Wresting power from the Republican party Alsteen 17 hrs ago #14
No n/t leftstreet 17 hrs ago #15
You just said what I was trying to say. gab13by13 17 hrs ago #18
NO... 2naSalit 17 hrs ago #17
So a candidate that ran a Bernie type campaign Emile 17 hrs ago #19
My whole OP was a question senseandsensibility 17 hrs ago #20
You should ask Jason Kanew n/t leftstreet 17 hrs ago #21
Passive aggressives use questions to push a point. Bobstandard 16 hrs ago #62
So you're calling me passive aggressive without actually doing so? senseandsensibility 16 hrs ago #64
Thicker skin. Shorter fuse. Bobstandard 15 hrs ago #66
I think you answered your own question.... getagrip_already 17 hrs ago #26
I'm sorry, but the only ones doing a purity test Emile 17 hrs ago #30
how so? getagrip_already 16 hrs ago #40
So the only ones that do purity tests are progressives. Emile 16 hrs ago #49
She won the primary. returnee 16 hrs ago #34
that is very true, but a primary, especially in a special, is a very progressive race... getagrip_already 16 hrs ago #38
Probably correct. It's hard to make predictions based upon a special election with significantly lower turnout Silent Type 17 hrs ago #22
Probably not. It wasn't a winnable district Jose Garcia 17 hrs ago #23
Good question: Aftyn Behn would have done better or won, Ars Longa 17 hrs ago #24
I didn't hear about the country music thing until the day after the election senseandsensibility 17 hrs ago #27
I love country music. returnee 16 hrs ago #35
Old country was OK- Modern "Bro Country" sounds like has been Ars Longa 16 hrs ago #43
Yes, give me Willie and Waylon and Johnny Cash and Dolly senseandsensibility 16 hrs ago #47
I go back to Appalachian folk ballads and fiddle tunes... returnee 14 hrs ago #72
Merle Haggard? Liberal? returnee 14 hrs ago #73
By "these days" I take it you mean the last quarter century? johnp3907 9 hrs ago #84
I really doubt it mvd 17 hrs ago #25
Republican-lite always loses to a real Republican Fiendish Thingy 17 hrs ago #29
Harry Truman Emile 16 hrs ago #63
Exactly correct Deminpenn 15 hrs ago #67
Seems a bit irrelevant... EarlG 17 hrs ago #33
You nailed it MustLoveBeagles 16 hrs ago #45
It's true that rehashing would have been could have been scenarios senseandsensibility 16 hrs ago #53
"...old markodochartaigh 16 hrs ago #57
Plenty of red state moderate incumbents have lost to MAGA Republicans over the years IronLionZion 16 hrs ago #36
What are the actual examples of progressive winning in deep red states? RoeVWade 16 hrs ago #39
Was the lack of voter turnout an issue? czarjak 16 hrs ago #41
No. They said the same things about the moderate dem candidates here. 2 Meow Momma 16 hrs ago #44
No...absolutely not Docreed2003 16 hrs ago #46
This +1 Emile 16 hrs ago #52
Her message was very mainstream. Bluetus 16 hrs ago #60
I never said that she was "too progressive" Docreed2003 14 hrs ago #71
My apologies. You are correct. I replied to the wrong post Bluetus 11 hrs ago #78
It didn't help that she was female. Beshear is liberal, but he is a white man and he wins everywhere in KY Wanderlust988 16 hrs ago #51
Sadly, I'm sure that was a factor. senseandsensibility 16 hrs ago #56
It was highly highly unlikely that we were going to win it ibegurpard 16 hrs ago #55
No. Nashville/Davidson County's rock solid Democratic congressional district Tanuki 16 hrs ago #58
Thanks senseandsensibility 16 hrs ago #61
The election in a deep red district, and the outcome, is scaring the hell out of the white supremacy Tr**plicans. NNadir 15 hrs ago #68
We've been running to the center for 45 years. Gore1FL 15 hrs ago #70
There have been many moderate southern Dems over the past few decades. Wanderlust988 11 hrs ago #74
Never heard of Jasmine Crockett? Emile 11 hrs ago #77
She's in a very Democratic district Wanderlust988 10 hrs ago #81
Used to be a very democratic district. Emile 9 hrs ago #82
I want what you are smoking. Even Jasmine knows this and will likely run for the Senate Wanderlust988 9 hrs ago #85
Keep your personal judgement against fellow duers, Emile 1 hr ago #87
Maybe we should try; I remember similar arguments regarding what was possible in 2008. Gore1FL 9 hrs ago #83
Jon Ossoff and Raphael Warnock won in Georgia...but they are male Wanderlust988 11 hrs ago #75
No matter how 'moderate' the candidate is, the GQP will label them "socialist communist fascist radical left Jack Valentino 11 hrs ago #76
Done better perhaps, but not won Justice Brandeis 10 hrs ago #79
There are different meanings of "progressive" and "moderate". MervinFerd 10 hrs ago #80
What does "moderate" even mean in this context? Crunchy Frog 9 hrs ago #86
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