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Silent Type

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22. Absolutly incorrect. Original Medicare has extensive coverage policies. No, the patient won't pay because it'll be
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 03:45 PM
12 hrs ago

denied if it doesn't meet requirements (docs can appeal), then the patient can decide whether to get the non-covered procedure/service.

It's very appropriate. There are no services on the list that are "life or death." And everyone of them has a Medicare coverage policy, either National (NCD) or Local (LCD which could be as many as 10 states with other states following policy).

A total of 17 types of procedures will now need prior approval. These services are often flagged for being overused or not always medically necessary. Here's what’s on the list:

Electrical Nerve Stimulators (NCD 160.7)
Sacral Nerve Stimulation for Urinary Incontinence (NCD 230.18)
Phrenic Nerve Stimulator (NCD 160.19)
Deep Brain Stimulation for Essential Tremor and Parkinson’s Disease (NCD 160.24)
Vagus Nerve Stimulation (NCD 160.18)
Induced Lesions of Nerve Tracts (NCD 160.1)
Hypoglossal Nerve Stimulation for Obstructive Sleep Apnea (LCDs L38307, L38312, L38385)
Epidural Steroid Injections for Pain Management (excluding facet-joint injections) (LCDs L39015, L39242, L36920)
Percutaneous Vertebral Augmentation (PVA) for Vertebral Compression Fracture (VCF) (LCDs L34106, L38201, L35130)
Cervical Fusion (LCDs L39741, L39762, L39793)
Arthroscopic Lavage and Arthroscopic Debridement for the Osteoarthritic Knee (NCD 150.9)
Incontinence Control Devices (NCD 230.10)
Diagnosis and Treatment of Impotence (NCD 230.4)
Percutaneous Image-Guided Lumbar Decompression for Spinal Stenosis (NCD 150.13)
Skin and Tissue Substitutes (general category)
Application of Bioengineered Skin Substitutes to Lower Extremity Chronic Non-Healing Wounds (LCD L35041)
Wound Application of Cellular and/or Tissue-Based Products (CTPs), Lower Extremities (LCD L36690)

Look up everyone of those and see how many fraud or abusive billing practices have been filed for the services.
I have no problem punishing docs who cheat Medicare and patients with questionable treatments.

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Kick dalton99a 18 hrs ago #1
They get paid to avoid providing care Bettie 18 hrs ago #2
Isn't it, though! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E 16 hrs ago #5
Traditional WmChris 18 hrs ago #3
Kicking with DISGUST!!!! Faux pas 18 hrs ago #4
One Goal Is Likely To Deny Coverage For Diabetes 2 And Its Related... ColoringFool 16 hrs ago #6
Jeezus. Joinfortmill 16 hrs ago #8
Any use of AI in a customer service context is to be feared. "Speak to a representative" is my answer to what I want to Martin68 16 hrs ago #7
AI learns that there's a reward for denying coverage. SergeStorms 16 hrs ago #12
AI finds it more cost efficient to let us die faster IronLionZion 15 hrs ago #19
there is help for patients Nigrum Cattus 16 hrs ago #9
Could you please elaborate for those of us who are not inclined to readily click links? mahina 15 hrs ago #13
Wow! Thanks Nigrum Cattus! That's a great source for fighting insurance denials! BComplex 15 hrs ago #16
The problem isn't the availability of an appeal - Ms. Toad 13 hrs ago #20
Arizona is a swing state with lots of retirees IronLionZion 16 hrs ago #10
They will likely never hear about it, or understand it was REPUBLICANS who passed this BComplex 15 hrs ago #17
If they are looking for fraud and corruption instead popsdenver 16 hrs ago #11
They want us dead orangecrush 15 hrs ago #14
Who in the F*** authorized this change?? BComplex 15 hrs ago #15
Medicare has used private contractors to review claims since at least 1980. The pilot program is limited to 6 states Silent Type 15 hrs ago #18
Requiring conservative therapy is a Medicare Advantage/Insurance concept - it has no place in Standard Medicare Ms. Toad 13 hrs ago #21
Absolutly incorrect. Original Medicare has extensive coverage policies. No, the patient won't pay because it'll be Silent Type 12 hrs ago #22
Gotcha. You believe it is appropriate to force me to choose between Ms. Toad 5 hrs ago #25
How many of those services have anything to do with diagnosing or managing cancer? Plus, Silent Type 5 hrs ago #26
It was in my post - a skin graft. Ms. Toad 4 hrs ago #28
There is a new policy on skin substitutes that removes the incentive for doctors making thousands of dollars off Silent Type 4 hrs ago #29
Nonsense. Ms. Toad 3 hrs ago #31
Trump's government... LudwigPastorius 12 hrs ago #23
It's bad enough when some employee at an insurance company who is not a doctor IcyPeas 12 hrs ago #24
I love the name - WISeR. It's become a cliche to say that every pronouncement by this administration is Orwellian jls4561 5 hrs ago #27
Crap UTUSN 4 hrs ago #30
who needs a "death panel?" rampartd 49 min ago #32
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