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pat_k

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41. Finland has a centralized network of underground pipes to distribute steam (geothermal)....
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 09:54 PM
18 hrs ago

... that is seemingly better suited to adaptation to distribute waste heat from data centers

This type of "district heating" infrastructure is more common in countries that employ more geothermal energy. It is apparently a less common type of heating system here.

Perhaps it is time places in the U.S. that are in the most need of efficient heating start exploring such centralized options. Seems it would be feasible in many high-density areas (e.g., upgrades of old systems and implementation of new systems in high-density areas -- e.g., much of the corridor from Fairfield, CT, to NYC, to Hoboken, the Palisades, and Union City...)

Question (Yeah, I know, problematic construction):
"Where in the United States is the infrastructure for district heating through underground pipes, similar to what they have in Finland, used."

Answer from Gemini (take with whatever grains of salt you apply to any AI summary)

Yes, the United States has a long-standing history of district heating infrastructure, particularly in the form of downtown steam districts in cities like New York, Boston, and Philadelphia. While not as extensive as Finland's modern systems, these steam networks have been in operation since the late 19th century, heating numerous downtown buildings and campuses. Some of these systems have been updated from older steam-based technology, while new, more advanced systems are also being implemented in various locations, though they are not as common as in Europe.

New York City: Has one of the oldest and largest steam districts in the US, with underground pipes distributing steam to a large portion of Manhattan.

Boston and Philadelphia: Also have active steam districts in their downtown areas, using a system that heats buildings and campuses.

Downtown Dayton, Ohio: Historically had a large steam heating system that powered downtown buildings and industries, with some lines still in place today.

Newer systems: While less common than in Europe, modern district heating systems using hot water instead of steam are being implemented in various locations for new developments or upgrades to existing infrastructure. These systems can use a variety of energy sources, including geothermal, waste heat from data centers, and other renewable sources.

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Interesting but I doubt it will happen here only because it sounds expensive newdeal2 Yesterday #1
If it adds a nickel of cost to the opium dreams of AI developers, it will never happen. hatrack Yesterday #2
Excellent true words! chouchou Yesterday #19
And if it additionally drmeow 19 hrs ago #40
NIMBY modrepub Yesterday #8
Unless they charge users for the heat and/or energy Auggie Yesterday #13
Here in the AZ borderlands, where people face drilling deeper well to reach lowering, disappearing water table Attilatheblond Yesterday #22
Finland has a centralized network of underground pipes to distribute steam (geothermal).... pat_k 18 hrs ago #41
Finland's underlying granite is home to lots of infrastructure. thought crime 17 hrs ago #46
Yeah, it makes way too much sense. sop Yesterday #3
Never work in the USA - it it's not making a profit it is dead on arrival. walkingman Yesterday #4
Yeah. This would save on heating costs. Trump only applegrove Yesterday #6
BINGO! OldBaldy1701E Yesterday #9
What about all the data centers in the South? Ursus Rex Yesterday #5
An argument for moving data centers to Alaska or more densely populated cold places in the "snowbelt." pat_k 18 hrs ago #42
This is a nice thing OnionPatch Yesterday #7
Please explain how that helps the fossil fuel industry. JohnnyRingo Yesterday #10
Are you talking to me? It doesn't help the fossil fuel industry. applegrove Yesterday #11
I was being sarcastic. JohnnyRingo Yesterday #12
Sorry. I get it now. I didn't think you were a troll applegrove Yesterday #14
I was being sarcastic again. JohnnyRingo Yesterday #17
LOL! applegrove Yesterday #18
Well, I for one knew where you were coming from in the first few words. Cheers! erronis Yesterday #16
It takes huge amounts of Electricity popsdenver 22 hrs ago #37
Of course it helps the fossil fuel industry... NewLarry Yesterday #26
Rec jfz9580m 18 hrs ago #45
And when they finally figure out the data centers are worthless and shut them down? erronis Yesterday #15
Putting them underground also helps with noise and space constraints IronLionZion Yesterday #20
Thank You Or Posting This! Rendville Yesterday #21
Trump would have his peons bomb the place. twodogsbarking Yesterday #23
Finland and Iceland are already positioned to take advantage of this kind of technology... Ol Janx Spirit Yesterday #24
Yeah, he'll call them underground wind mills or some such shit. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Yesterday #25
I don't know. Sounds kind of "woke" to me. If it's not coal, Trump isn't interested. Vinca Yesterday #27
Acushnet Process Company, which started making Titleist golf balls, used to heat the building in the winter from...... usaf-vet Yesterday #28
Yes computers were huge back in the day. applegrove Yesterday #29
WWBOD? - What Would Big Oil Do? JoseBalow Yesterday #30
Good one! calimary 13 hrs ago #47
Inefficient use of a wasteful process's leftovers. marble falls Yesterday #31
Inefficient use is better than no use at all. Shipwack Yesterday #34
Trump doesn't have to make this illegal. In most of the country we can't do this at all. jmowreader Yesterday #32
Reminds me of the Minnesota Supercomputer Center GopherGal Yesterday #33
Fa geta bout it! This is only possible when you have government oversight and an educated populace. flashman13 Yesterday #35
Silly me popsdenver 22 hrs ago #36
Considering that the U.S. is 29 times the size of Finland, I'm pretty sure this is a problem of scale, and not ancianita 21 hrs ago #38
If would probably. work in large cities if there were still large tenements. LiberalArkie 21 hrs ago #39
District heat networks? In America you pay to have your data-center heat delivered in a truck. paulkienitz 18 hrs ago #43
Given the places it would make sense, seems to me it's a great "blue state" (subset: snowbelt) initiative. pat_k 18 hrs ago #44
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