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malthaussen

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Fri Dec 5, 2025, 02:50 PM Dec 2025

Killing survivors: some historical points. [View all]

In WW2, it was pretty much SOP to kill Japanese airmen and sailors who were left as survivors when their plane was shot down or their ship sunk. The argument was based on a number of documented cases of Japanese POW survivors attacking and often killing their rescuers. Everyone knew it was a war crime, and nobody cared. There are any number of documented or attested instances of American troops killing POWs for one reason or another, and getting away with it.

Several points immediately occur, but the most significant to my mind and the one that is becoming lost in all the noise is this: we are not at war. Those people in the water were foreign nationals and civilians. We murdered them. The legalists may try to obfuscate this as they wish, but they cannot erase the fact. They can only make the fact irrelevant, as in the case of the Japanese survivors or other war crimes committed by US forces over the years.

Personally, I have zero tolerance for anyone, pundit or politician or random Internet Yahoo, who tries to sell the point that these murders were anything other than state-sponsored piracy on the high seas. And insofar as I am a citizen of the State which has committed this crime, I am furious with every official in the chain of command who passed on this indefensible order. Less so with the figurative 19-year old seaman with his figurative finger on the figurative trigger: he was between a rock and a hard place, and his superiors are supposed to protect him from this shit.. You may blame the top of the chain-of-command as much as you like, and may try to paint Admiral Bradley as an innocent scapegoat as much as you like, but responsibility for this act is not compartmentalized: every single link in the chain failed, and betrayed their oaths to the Constitution, to say nothing of betraying common human morality.

-- Mal

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The Supreme Court gave Trump a license to kill. Walleye Dec 2025 #1
That's irrelevant too. malthaussen Dec 2025 #2
I expect the current Supreme Court would rule this is "in pursuit of his Constitutional duty" muriel_volestrangler Dec 2025 #3
Take it to the bank. malthaussen Dec 2025 #9
All true. Unfortunately. Walleye Dec 2025 #14
THIS malaise Dec 2025 #4
Yes but as he also said ToxMarz Dec 2025 #6
IT IS NOT A WAR CRIME!!!! malthaussen Dec 2025 #11
Correct malaise Dec 2025 #12
It's terrorism. yardwork Dec 2025 #16
For oil stollen Dec 2025 #17
There are also numerous documented cases of Japanese survivors in the water refusing aid or rescue... Wounded Bear Dec 2025 #5
Yes, and not just military, but civilians as well... malthaussen Dec 2025 #10
Part of that was propaganda... Wounded Bear Dec 2025 #21
It's murder, pure and simple. Everyone killed on those boats were murdered whether or not they were carrying drugs, and Fil1957 Dec 2025 #7
Well said. GiqueCee Dec 2025 #8
The US is not at war, and these are civilians, not military combatants. Irish_Dem Dec 2025 #13
Agreed Bayard Dec 2025 #15
Put simply malaise Dec 2025 #18
As much a "conflict" as shooting fish in a barrel... malthaussen Dec 2025 #19
... Solly Mack Dec 2025 #20
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