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In reply to the discussion: $20,833.00 per month???? [View all]veterancrozo658
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I know people who make 250,000K per year, they live on golf courses with elevators
Heather MC
Dec 2012
#6
Then you are doing something wrong and you are decidedly NOT middle class...
Luminous Animal
Dec 2012
#23
They might consider themselves middle class but they'd be in the 20% of the SF population
Luminous Animal
Dec 2012
#75
"Class" isn't a term strictly related to income, IMO. People who have an income in that range
pnwmom
Dec 2012
#101
Upper Middle Class, perhaps, with that as a family income in a high cost city
Tom Rinaldo
Dec 2012
#87
Subarus are high end cars? It depends. I live in Subaru-ville where yes, there are new ones
uppityperson
Dec 2012
#70
Do you have any data? Two income households. DINKS. I'm single... I'd need two times the income.
NYC_SKP
Dec 2012
#11
My DH has a Masters Degree a full time job in the Military and several part time jobs one as a
Heather MC
Dec 2012
#4
Obama and Boehner are going back and forth between 250,000 and 1 million as the cutcoff point
robinlynne
Dec 2012
#9
Only $16,666.00 per month, that's pennies how could anyone live off less than $16,666 per month?
Heather MC
Dec 2012
#13
That's the rich people's way of saying "get lost". It does not mean it isn't plenty of money.
JVS
Dec 2012
#27
The highest average income (by area) per household in LA is $141,000....
Luminous Animal
Dec 2012
#33
that;s Crap, most people in NYC and LA don't have anything close to 200k, it IS enough
JI7
Dec 2012
#36
Sure you can. Most professions make less than $250K/yr. Nurses, IT, Accountants, etc make less.
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#147
I made half that in LA and retired in 15 years. What I didn't do was pretend
Egalitarian Thug
Dec 2012
#78
Exactly. I hate when people that live in inexpensive locations attempt to make values
bluestate10
Dec 2012
#149
And the proposed increase in taxes is levied on taxable income (after deductions and execemptions)
Luminous Animal
Dec 2012
#14
I love it when people making that much try to act like they're struggling
RedCappedBandit
Dec 2012
#19
By definition, middle class means you are NOT struggling. Obviously at the high end of that you
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#115
For clarification, my post was definitely not directed at any particular DUer
RedCappedBandit
Dec 2012
#117
20k gets burned up real fast in expensive cities and high tax states
taught_me_patience
Dec 2012
#20
I live in the real world, I live in a very expensive area. I know the numbers thanks
Heather MC
Dec 2012
#22
Yep. I live in San Francisco and most of the people I know make between $50,000 - $80,000
Luminous Animal
Dec 2012
#25
$80,000 in income, and they can only manage? So $80k in San Fran isn't very much?
Honeycombe8
Dec 2012
#40
I'd say $50K is working class. Rent for a 2 bedroom apartment is over $3000 a month.
Luminous Animal
Dec 2012
#51
Well, you're the one who stated 250k households live on golf courses
taught_me_patience
Dec 2012
#26
I said I know people there's a difference in making up something and knowing facts
Heather MC
Dec 2012
#38
I know a few areas with nice homes on nice golf courses, with home costs in the mid to high $200s.
Incitatus
Dec 2012
#45
Sorry, but if you can't scrape by on $5000 per week, then you're an absolute failure
Orrex
Dec 2012
#50
No, it hasnt, as the poster of #20 explained. No one is saying they cant make it on $250K/yr
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#127
Its not the same point at all. I think $250K/yr is definitely middle class as I noted in this post..
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#141
You keep creating straw men and are deluded into thinking that they are logical points. They are not
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#145
You are now arguing with yourself about your 80% straw man. My comparison is EXACTLY the point
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#152
No, that is just your latest strawman. I never remotely said any such thing. nt
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#162
Sorry, no. Comparison of what is middle class or not IS the goal according to the OP. nt
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#166
The increase is on taxable income after deductions and exemptions. A small business owner with $200K
Luminous Animal
Dec 2012
#29
I wasn't implying that you were but I do question your assertion that 97% of small business owners
Luminous Animal
Dec 2012
#34
No, we don't. Maybe that's the basis for the tax rate for a certain income....
Honeycombe8
Dec 2012
#93
Actually, you are wrong. If you fall in the 25% bracket, it means that you earn enough that
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#103
Well, I looked it up, and I was wrong. $250k does seem to be above "middle class" income levels.
Honeycombe8
Dec 2012
#61
I think that there's so much dispute here about $250k still being middle class indicates that it is
Incitatus
Dec 2012
#47
This all started during the Reagan and then the Bush years...with education cuts.
Honeycombe8
Dec 2012
#58
interesting fact. federal education spending was not cut under those guys
mostlyconfused
Dec 2012
#71
Sorry...you must be wrong. I REMEMBER EXACTLY Bush on tv announcing the CUTS to college grants....
Honeycombe8
Dec 2012
#111
No. What you are suggesting is the Dept of Education's own numbers are wrong
mostlyconfused
Dec 2012
#136
Because a program is cut does not mean the dollar amount goes down, correct?
Honeycombe8
Dec 2012
#140
Poverty is classified by income, not percent. Whatever percent makes below X amount is considered
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#114
please link some document that says the government has this definition of middle class. FYI:
HiPointDem
Dec 2012
#77
"Middle Income" means something. "Middle Class" is an arbitrary bullshit distinction.
lumberjack_jeff
Dec 2012
#98
The top 1% are the only ones who have made a killing in the last 30-40 years. And at the expense of
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#142
2/3 of households who make more than $250,000 a year are 1 percenters.
lumberjack_jeff
Dec 2012
#151
It's not a percentage/percentile thing, it's a "What is their life like" thing. Thats my point.
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#153
Almost none... which makes it easy for me to demand more taxes from "them".
lumberjack_jeff
Dec 2012
#164
Household making $250K/yr still has more in common with one making $50K than a 1 percenter household
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#113
the median income is 80,000 dollars mostly in those cities nowhere near 250 Km
uponit7771
Dec 2012
#134
That's the Median which, if I remember my math, is the exact middle point between
WCGreen
Dec 2012
#139
Yeah, but that's after taxes, and private school, and the vacation fund, and the three car payments
killbotfactory
Dec 2012
#159