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In reply to the discussion: BREAKING NEWS: Trump rescinds Cuellar clemency, citing "totally illegal" pardon [View all]Ocelot II
(128,664 posts)8. That's the first thing I thought when I read his post whining about Cuellar's lack of gratitude -
Will he try to rescind the pardon for the failure of the expected quid pro quo? Bush the Younger did revoke a pardon, and the revocation was considered effective because the pardon hadn't been delivered, that is, made final:
On December 23, 2008, President Bush granted a pardon to Toussie, angering people who felt Toussie had defrauded them. However, the pardon was withdrawn the next day, following a report by the New York Daily News that Toussie's father, Robert Toussie, had given $28,500 to the Republican Party and $2,300 to the presidential campaign of U.S. Senator John McCain. White House press secretary Dana Perino stated that the pardon would be reviewed, in light of the new information. A White House press release read, in part:
Based on information that has subsequently come to light, the President has directed the Pardon Attorney not to execute and deliver a Grant of Clemency to Mr. Toussie. The Pardon Attorney has not provided a recommendation on Mr. Toussie's case because it was filed less than five years from completion of his sentence. The President believes that the Pardon Attorney should have an opportunity to review this case before a decision on clemency is made.
The action by Mr. Bush to revoke the pardon is considered unprecedented, and it is unclear that the president has the power to withdraw a pardon. However, the Justice Department has stated that the pardon was never official, having never been delivered to the person who requested it, and that Toussie would have no legal ground on which to challenge the withdrawal. It appears that the pardon would have made it possible for Toussie to re-enter the real estate business in New York state, which he would not be able to do as a felon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Toussie
Based on information that has subsequently come to light, the President has directed the Pardon Attorney not to execute and deliver a Grant of Clemency to Mr. Toussie. The Pardon Attorney has not provided a recommendation on Mr. Toussie's case because it was filed less than five years from completion of his sentence. The President believes that the Pardon Attorney should have an opportunity to review this case before a decision on clemency is made.
The action by Mr. Bush to revoke the pardon is considered unprecedented, and it is unclear that the president has the power to withdraw a pardon. However, the Justice Department has stated that the pardon was never official, having never been delivered to the person who requested it, and that Toussie would have no legal ground on which to challenge the withdrawal. It appears that the pardon would have made it possible for Toussie to re-enter the real estate business in New York state, which he would not be able to do as a felon.
So, what was the status of Cuellar's pardon? Trump is infamous for not submitting his pardons to the Pardon Attorney. Was this one executed and delivered?
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BREAKING NEWS: Trump rescinds Cuellar clemency, citing "totally illegal" pardon [View all]
Tommy Carcetti
Monday
OP
I thought it was real until I read your response. It's sad that such outlandish stuff can be deemed credible. How
Jmb 4 Harris-Walz
Monday
#39
It is very believable give Trump mushy 'brain'--and his pathological vindictiveness!!
riversedge
Monday
#19
Yup. It's so very much like something he'd do out of vindictiveness it sounded genuine.
Texin
Monday
#31
It is Maria Stephanos and Mark Ockerbloom from WFXT Fox 25 in Boston. The pic is at least 10 years old.
Celerity
Monday
#42
That's the first thing I thought when I read his post whining about Cuellar's lack of gratitude -
Ocelot II
Monday
#8
Sometimes you need to stress "satire" because with Trump it sounds totally plausible.
Vinca
Monday
#9
Trying to fool people with misinformation masquerading as satire is not funny. Nt
Fiendish Thingy
Monday
#11
hi can you walk me through what the difference of what satire and misinformation masquerading as satire looks like
WhiskeyGrinder
Monday
#17