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Smilo

(2,008 posts)
30. America - land of the free
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:54 PM
Dec 2012

wait, we need to change that - America - land of the freedom for the government to spy on those that still believe America is the land of the free.

Quotes from February, 2008

Representative Silvestre Reyes (D-TX) Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
"We are a strong nation. We cannot allow ourselves to be scared into suspending the Constitution. If we do that, we might as well call the terrorists and tell them that they have won."
wwwc.house.gov/reyes/news_detail.asp?id=1370

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)
"Franklin Roosevelt, as you know, something that every school child in America knows, said that we have nothing to fear but fear itself. And President Bush tells the American people that he has nothing to offer but fear, and I'm afraid that his fear mongering of this bill is not constructive."
www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/14/173433/995/690/456954

Majority Leader of the House Steny Hoyer (D-MD):
"President Bush is making the absolutely untenable claim that our national security will be jeopardized unless Congress immediately acts on the Senate bill, even though he and House Republicans opposed and defeated a 21-day extension of the current FISA law that his Administration wrote. If the President and Republicans really believe their own rhetoric, then their actions are grossly irresponsible.

"Democrats have made it abundantly clear that we are prepared to sit down with the White House and Republicans to work together. But we will not succumb to divisiveness and fear-mongering."
www.lvtsg.com/news/publish/fed_gov/article_23267.shtml

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV)
"For the President, this debate isn't about protecting America; it's about protecting the telecommunications industry and his own Administration.

"The President refused to extend this law because he is trying to use it for political gain and is afraid that legal scrutiny of his Administration's actions will uncover wrongdoing."
reid.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=293063&

Richard A. Clarke, Former Head of Counterterrorism at the National Security Council
"For this president, fear is an easier political tactic than compromise. With FISA, he is attempting to rattle Congress into hastily expanding his own executive powers at the expense of civil liberties and constitutional protections.

"In order to defeat the violent Islamist extremists who do not believe in human rights, we need not give up the civil liberties, constitutional rights and protections that generations of Americans fought to achieve. We do not need to create Big Brother. With the administration's attempts to erode FISA's legal standing as the exclusive means by which our government can conduct electronic surveillance of U.S. persons on U.S. soil, this is unfortunately the path the president is taking us down.

"So it is no surprise that in one of Bush's last acts of relevance, he once again played the fear card. While he has failed in spreading democracy, stemming global terrorism, and leaving the country better off than when he took power, he did achieve one thing: successfully perpetuating fear for political gain.

"Sadly, it may be one of the only achievements of his presidency."
www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/15099947.html

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"Constitutional Scholar" President, woo me with science Dec 2012 #1
"Do we understand the real problem yet, America?" ProSense Dec 2012 #8
Defend this Prosense. woo me with science Dec 2012 #10
Wait ProSense Dec 2012 #11
What are you trying to imply, Prosense? woo me with science Dec 2012 #14
WMWS has accurately described the problem. The USA has, at least for "national security" affairs, byeya Dec 2012 #26
"How dare you. " ProSense Dec 2012 #38
What were the choices? BobbyBoring Dec 2012 #32
Oh please. ProSense Dec 2012 #39
When Bush was proposing these anti-Democratic policies, did you defend them sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #36
Who the hell ProSense Dec 2012 #41
Who the hell is pretending Congress doesn't exist? Ask them how many sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #43
+ Nobel Peace Prize winner leftstreet Dec 2012 #27
That, too! woo me with science Dec 2012 #50
"the Obama legacy": the transformation of what was until recently a symbol of right-wing radicalism Kolesar Dec 2012 #2
I watched CSPAN fredamae Dec 2012 #3
voting now Enrique Dec 2012 #4
Virtually every national pol should be out on their ass and the next crops TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #5
+100000 woo me with science Dec 2012 #17
Yes and now is the time to start. And we have a coalition of organizations sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #37
Right, the time wanes quickly. TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #46
It's something that repubs don't seem to understand Turbineguy Dec 2012 #6
Back in 2007 JReed Dec 2012 #12
If NSA, TSA, or any other agency is listening, "Thank you for doing a great job." AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #7
Thank Gawd It Passed.. Fumesucker Dec 2012 #9
Check your senators vote fredamae Dec 2012 #13
What? Democrats voted for this? woo me with science Dec 2012 #52
Gah, this makes my stomach roll. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #15
Parts of USA PATRIOT Act so secret, even Senators can't tell us what's in them. Octafish Dec 2012 #16
Kind of like the TPP. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #18
That's the first thing the came to my mind as well, as evinced by Wyden's complaints. nt Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #20
The Trans-Pacific Partnership? Octafish Dec 2012 #24
Yep. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #40
If it's anything like what the BFEE has done with China, I'm down with it. Octafish Dec 2012 #54
Thank you. nt woo me with science Dec 2012 #49
Somewhere, Osama is laughing. n/t theaocp Dec 2012 #19
This, the wars and gitmo is were I am extremely disappointed with the President. There are GOP ..... marble falls Dec 2012 #21
We'll fix it later! OnyxCollie Dec 2012 #22
Power corrupts..... Swede Atlanta Dec 2012 #23
Yup, and this goes far beyond Obama. woo me with science Dec 2012 #51
The Domestic-Spying Industrial Complex FlyByNight Dec 2012 #25
Can you see the Bottom Yet, 4Q2u2 Dec 2012 #28
When Congress passes a law that is in direct conflict with the Constitution... TheProgressive Dec 2012 #29
America - land of the free Smilo Dec 2012 #30
Why, when Some Democrats vote with Republicans... spedtr90 Dec 2012 #31
I don't see JReed Dec 2012 #45
Obama pushed for this? Sheepshank Dec 2012 #33
Don't expect too much from "Counterpunch" Kolesar Dec 2012 #44
Prime example of corruption in Congress! We no longer have a representative Democracy! Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #34
Abstolutely no surprise there Catherina Dec 2012 #35
+1 woo me with science Dec 2012 #48
Don't worry, this will be completely forgotten by the time Dems need to raise money again. n/t hughee99 Dec 2012 #42
Bush era FISA vs pre-Bush era FISA ieoeja Dec 2012 #47
Update JReed Dec 2012 #53
Kick. Had enough yet, America? woo me with science Dec 2012 #55
Did you see this? JReed Dec 2012 #57
kr HiPointDem Dec 2012 #56
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