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MADem

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168. Well, I think anyone who takes such an authoritarian approach is not a Democrat, so

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 02:31 PM

Dec 2012

no worries, there.

People who hold that POV are masquerading as Democrats, but they're chaos-creators. They delight in shitting in the punch. They're more about whining about problems than working towards solutions.

I don't go for "My way or the highway" approaches. As we've seen, that's what has screwed the GOP royally. It worked for a while, that "lockstep discipline," but now the effort has gone all pear-shaped, and they are on the ropes.

It's important to duke it out in the arena; throw down those ideas and argue 'em out. Offering up a laundry list that is preceded by "Obama is an asshole if he (fill in the blank)...." is not engaging in discussion or argument, it's dictating terms-- and I've seen an awful lot of that on this board. Frankly, I'm not impressed.

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Hey Unsensible Emo Prog Firebaggers: This Time I'm *Sure* I Got It Right!!! [View all] MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 OP

For the newbies here, Manny, please explain "Emo" and "Firebagger"... NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #1

Right, I forgot I'm dealing with ignorant Leftys. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #2

And third way, wtf is that? =:^)- NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #5

Third Way is Freepers who know how to spell MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #6

Oh Snap! NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #7

DUzy! Fumesucker Dec 2012 #13

Lol :) nt abelenkpe Dec 2012 #19

Lol! n/t sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #28

lol! n/t TDale313 Dec 2012 #36

spit coffee on keyboard. nashville_brook Dec 2012 #87

rofl.... KoKo Dec 2012 #88

LOL mmonk Dec 2012 #158

third way = democrats who like charter schools. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #109

a bit more than that... Chan790 Dec 2012 #204

The Third Way are the Republicans that abandoned their Party to help us with ours. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #129

Oops! Samantha Dec 2012 #52

Oh, you fancy Leftys with your "facts" and "grammar" MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #53

Teapartiers take their motto from Mr. Dooley's Philosophy Samantha Dec 2012 #64

hey put that back! annabanana Dec 2012 #3

OK nt MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #4

disappointed you didn't work "bank griefers" in somehow banned from Kos Dec 2012 #8

Ooh, I like it! MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #12

Llody Balnakfien WOULD be in prison if he had been in Iceland where the rule sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #16

Let's not forget about hiding Greek debt from the EU. n/t Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #124

Yes, I forgot about that. But the rules do not apply to them sadly. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #153

Matt Taibbi named them well Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #154

Omg, I would have joined you to give him a double whammy. They are sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #156

We'd fix him! LOL Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #165

Lol, yes we would! I love Taibbi, one of the few real journalists left in this sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #196

Bloodsucking vampire squid Berlum Dec 2012 #160

'Bankster cheerleaders' sounds better. Rex Dec 2012 #34

What about us "sensible" Emo Prog Firebaggers madfloridian Dec 2012 #9

Sensible Emo Prog Firebagger? That would be like a MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #26

Like compassionate conservatives, you don't exist. tblue Dec 2012 #27

Wait... theKed Dec 2012 #200

Firebaggers aren't Woodchucks! Silly. downandoutnow Dec 2012 #133

That is a timeless piece from TM madfloridian Dec 2012 #145

Kicking... Pragmatically yours, WBB. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #10

Emo Prog is the new Pinko Commie. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #11

He's a good man. If he cuts SS it must be for my own good. cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #14

Harumph. That's right. pa28 Dec 2012 #15

No, you were right the first time. If you close your eyes and remember that sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #17

If it isnt a cut why offer it to the Repubicans? Dont think the Republicans would accept it rhett o rick Dec 2012 #112

Well, they haven't acepted it have they? n/t Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #126

Why would he offer it if it didnt cut SS? nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #128

It's the least offensive "entitlement" cut Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #142

It is a horrible place to bargain from. He should tell the American people that rhett o rick Dec 2012 #144

I agree wth your premise, but not with your reason. Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #147

Do you support linking SS to the CPI? nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #130

Not particularly...but Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #137

I thought I was a teaLeftist. So hard to keep up. historylovr Dec 2012 #18

I reckon this post will have the Blew dogs frothing Rain Mcloud Dec 2012 #20

I've been here since 2001, and I have no clue SheilaT Dec 2012 #21

Here ya go MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #22

Wha??? you didn't get one??? L0oniX Dec 2012 #24

Dammit, I want my TDale313 Dec 2012 #32

Perfect. Cracklin Charlie Dec 2012 #37

I voted. So what's your gripe exactly? tblue Dec 2012 #25

Oh, it's worse than that Fumesucker Dec 2012 #29

I have voted in every election SheilaT Dec 2012 #89

Stop it ...you're making me cry... L0oniX Dec 2012 #23

This is confusing. blue neen Dec 2012 #30

Thank you. Third-Way Manny. TDale313 Dec 2012 #31

Some examples of Emo Progs.... madfloridian Dec 2012 #33

thanks n/t TDale313 Dec 2012 #38

Wow. blue neen Dec 2012 #40

Well, I did not write the post. madfloridian Dec 2012 #42

You chose to post it. blue neen Dec 2012 #44

I do agree. There is no need for divisiveness. madfloridian Dec 2012 #47

He is a brilliant man, indeed. blue neen Dec 2012 #49

And for your peace of mind...I do not like the first paragraph madfloridian Dec 2012 #54

Yes, the Emo Prog overreaction to the comments is far worse than the comments themselves Fumesucker Dec 2012 #51

The attacks on Greenwald were homophobic as hell, right here on DU. Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #116

I think I ended up with 4 hides in Meta that night trying to get that off of DU. Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #127

At least that fucker is gone. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #149

How do you like this one? cui bono Dec 2012 #136

Glenn Greenwald? Noam Chomsky? Naomi Wolf? Code Pink? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #50

..... madfloridian Dec 2012 #55

Thanks for link... quote from article: KoKo Dec 2012 #90

Mad, it HAS been explained to you Over & Over that Charter Schools ARE Public Schools. bvar22 Dec 2012 #94

lol madfloridian Dec 2012 #106

A Tour de Farce, Manny Fumesucker Dec 2012 #35

+1 n/t TDale313 Dec 2012 #39

+ another 1 Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #77

Well excuse me for loving and supporting my President. We dont need people like you loyalkydem Dec 2012 #41

By that you mean...whom? madfloridian Dec 2012 #43

Right, so let's just support any right wing bullshit proposed. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #46

Manny has been a knife in Obama's back from the word go. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #75

He's not the only one loyalkydem Dec 2012 #79

The Democratic Wing worries about programs, issues and policy and doesnt have time for hero worship. rhett o rick Dec 2012 #115

or kicking th e President every chance they get then loyalkydem Dec 2012 #132

You are exposing yourself. Democrats have historically argued and debated among themselves. rhett o rick Dec 2012 #134

and you are exposing yourself as well. loyalkydem Dec 2012 #135

Yes I am. I am a Democrat. I believe that my representatives work for me. What do you believe in? nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #138

Well you should expose yourself some more. cui bono Dec 2012 #140

So pray tell me what issues you disagree with us progressives. Give me some facts from your rhett o rick Dec 2012 #146

Me? I am a progressive. Did you mean to reply to loyal... that person? n/t cui bono Dec 2012 #150

funny, but in another thread you blame people like us for losses in 2010.. frylock Dec 2012 #103

....because 3rd Wayers are ALSO... bvar22 Dec 2012 #108

You're right, you don't need us Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #114

It was the right-wing of our party that didnt vote in 2010 or voted Republican. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #120

What we don't need is people like you. cui bono Dec 2012 #139

MSNBC's Joy Reid and blogger/tweeter @shoq redefine emo prog as �Puritopian.� madfloridian Dec 2012 #45

So Emo Prog's already... TDale313 Dec 2012 #48

Emo Progs are now �Puritopian.� Not sure which is more degrading. madfloridian Dec 2012 #56

Personally, I find TDale313 Dec 2012 #58

Then Manny could do a post calling all "Puritopians." madfloridian Dec 2012 #60

Neither are... embrace them. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #193

Fascinating definition at that link..... MADem Dec 2012 #62

Damn. That nail was hit so hard, there's no seeing it ever again. Number23 Dec 2012 #67

Emo Progs crying out for attention by using the words of Sensible Pragmatists Fumesucker Dec 2012 #68

They certainly don't like to be ignored, do they? MADem Dec 2012 #69

Ha!! Number23 Dec 2012 #107

And as I said below, the definition and label are shameful. Not to be used by Democrats madfloridian Dec 2012 #70

I'm a fan of the Big Tent, myself. I don't like it when I'm told that I'm MADem Dec 2012 #71

your "big tent" has become overcrowded disaffected republicans frylock Dec 2012 #104

Instead of excoriating them, welcome them and teach them .... MADem Dec 2012 #166

Yep. That pretty much sums it up for me how I view BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #76

+1!!! nt MADem Dec 2012 #82

Ahhhhhhhh I see now. Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #119

And that definition as well as the label are crying shames. madfloridian Dec 2012 #65

Agreed. And yes, was surprised TDale313 Dec 2012 #66

Well, I think anyone who takes such an authoritarian approach is not a Democrat, so MADem Dec 2012 #168

It's Hyper-Dimentional Non-Euclidean Chess Demo_Chris Dec 2012 #57

+1 Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #59

It's way too complicated for us common folk to understand! progressoid Dec 2012 #72

Well Done, Demo_Chris bvar22 Dec 2012 #95

Perfect! And you can get big cans of cat food at Sav-a-Lot for 79 cents. djean111 Dec 2012 #105

Emo Prog? RetroLounge Dec 2012 #61

Cat Food For You! MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #63

Don't forget the peas. wilsonbooks Dec 2012 #73

wow, you're completely losing your shit, Manny. This is what a Second Obama term has made of you? MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #74

Having a memory longer than a week = Completely losing your shit Fumesucker Dec 2012 #78

My memory is long enough to know that Manny has always detracted form Obama. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #206

Progressive Dems didn't abandon the President alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #86

Reciting just a few lines we've all heard dozens of times has sure got you jacked up Fumesucker Dec 2012 #91

Keep pretending that you're having an effect alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #92

Rahm? Is that you? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #93

Is Mutual Masturbation Effective? Skraxx Dec 2012 #99

That is an interesting post, alcibiades. bvar22 Dec 2012 #110

Great summary bvar22 madfloridian Dec 2012 #118

Voted reteachinwi Dec 2012 #122

GREAT cui bono Dec 2012 #141

You should make that an OP.. Fumesucker Dec 2012 #148

Um alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #157

This was a great post Capt. Obvious Dec 2012 #159

So very sadly true. Cha Dec 2012 #111

Third Way Manny lost his "shit" a long time ago. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #113

Manny is amusing reteachinwi Dec 2012 #123

du rec. nt xchrom Dec 2012 #80

Ahhhh Manny. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #81

Sooooooo meta alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #83

Your hair has been on fire so many times in the last 3 year, you must be bald by now. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #84

And Now That It's Apparent There Will Never Be Any Cuts Skraxx Dec 2012 #98

Did PBO retract his offer? cui bono Dec 2012 #143

Is There A Deal That Contains Cuts? Legislation? How About Any Hypothetical Discussions? Skraxx Dec 2012 #151

Yes. There was a press briefing where Carney said that PBO proposed SS cuts cui bono Dec 2012 #155

Is Obama going to make a deal that cuts SS by the end of the year ... yes or no. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #163

I'm not a psychic. I hope he retracts the offer. cui bono Dec 2012 #172

Did he put it on the table this week, during the debt ceiling fight last year or ... JoePhilly Dec 2012 #182

He did it right before Boehner tried to pass his Plan B. cui bono Dec 2012 #183

The claim that Obama has "put SS on the table" here on DU actually goes back to the debt JoePhilly Dec 2012 #185

You keep ignoring the fact that HE PUT SS ON THE TABLE. cui bono Dec 2012 #187

Exactly, In Fact, Not Only Has SS Always Been "On The Table" Skraxx Dec 2012 #191

So That's In A Deal? Or Legislation? Part Of Some Current Negotiations Or Hypothetical Discussion? Skraxx Dec 2012 #164

I guess you didn't read or hear the press briefing. cui bono Dec 2012 #170

So You Admit There Are No Current Discussions, Negotiations, Deals or Legislation Regarding Any Cuts Skraxx Dec 2012 #171

Sorry, but WTF are you talking about? cui bono Dec 2012 #173

What Table Would They Be On, If They Are Not Included In Any Discussions, Negotiations, Deals or Skraxx Dec 2012 #174

Okay, really, you have to accept reality and facts to have a discussion. cui bono Dec 2012 #175

What Table? They Are Not In Any Legislation, Deals, Discussions, Hypothetical or Otherwise Skraxx Dec 2012 #176

I see now that you really did miss the press briefing so here's the link. cui bono Dec 2012 #178

Actually, I'm Missing The Table, That Press Briefing Is Irrelevant, You Have Yet To Provide Anything Skraxx Dec 2012 #179

Again, you have to deal with reality and facts, which you refuse to do. cui bono Dec 2012 #180

Reality? Like The Reality That There Are No Cuts, In Any Way Shape or Form, In A Deal, Discussion Skraxx Dec 2012 #181

For Pete's sake! Did Obama put SS on the table, according to Carney, or not? ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #186

What Table? Skraxx Dec 2012 #188

So, rather than answer the question you instead want to focus ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #192

No, YOU Are Focusing On An IMAGINARY Table, One That Supposedly Has SS Cuts On It Skraxx Dec 2012 #194

You wanna goddamned table? Here's you one right here --> ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #197

So That Table Currently Has Cuts On It as Part of A Deal Under Discussion? Skraxx Dec 2012 #199

I'm enjoying this. ProSense Dec 2012 #85

Indeed, Full Blown Meltdown Into Utter Self-Parody Skraxx Dec 2012 #97

It appears you finally morphed into Sid. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #121

We're ProSense Dec 2012 #131

But not as much fun as reading your old posts brentspeak Dec 2012 #152

Learn to read ProSense Dec 2012 #162

"and, in Reich's case, raising the payroll tax threshold" brentspeak Dec 2012 #169

If you post a long post with links to the facts treestar Dec 2012 #202

DURec! bvar22 Dec 2012 #96

K&R Melissa G Dec 2012 #100

Dang, I missed it.. Permanut Dec 2012 #101

"Paranoia self destroyer" great white snark Dec 2012 #102

I get confused as to whether I should rec a Third Way Manny post or not. In any case I sure aint rhett o rick Dec 2012 #117

Third-Way Manny for President! malthaussen Dec 2012 #125

EmoProg prophecy Berlum Dec 2012 #161

boy, this really helps the discussion...an 'i told you so' thread. like used toilet paper. spanone Dec 2012 #167

It is more like a 'i told ya so' thread on hold status. Rex Dec 2012 #177

K&R woo me with science Dec 2012 #184

Kick. Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #189

Had to kick and rec this Autumn Dec 2012 #190

Kick woo me with science Dec 2012 #195

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Dec 2012 #198

manny goldstein will never say anything good about the president arely staircase Dec 2012 #201

Well... MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #203

Mannny always brings out the best of DUers... adirondacker Dec 2012 #205