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In reply to the discussion: There Are Days... When You Wonder Why We Even Bother... [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)7. Matt Stoller is an anti-Obama idiot
The FCC is considering an action, proposed in 2011, now postponed because of push back, but Stoller would have you believe that this is something Obama himself is proposing. Not only that, but his idiotic premise is that because Rupert Murdoch might do something as a result of this action, Obama is actively seeking to "strengthen" him. Preposterous.
Moyers: But the chairman of the FCC is President Obamas own appointee, his own choice to head it. Why would the president be wanting to approve a greater concentration of media?
Aaron: Well, thats the $64 million question. Barack Obama as a senator was one of the leading voices against the exact same rules that his FCC chairman is pushing forward now. He wrote op-eds, he co-sponsored legislation to throw out these exact same rules, legislation that passed in the Senate. And yet, his own FCC chairman, his appointee, is suddenly in a huge rush to get this deal done, and if these reports are to be believed, theyre going to try and do this by Christmas, before the end of the year.
http://billmoyers.com/2012/12/03/fcc-moves-towards-more-media-consolidation/
Aaron: Well, thats the $64 million question. Barack Obama as a senator was one of the leading voices against the exact same rules that his FCC chairman is pushing forward now. He wrote op-eds, he co-sponsored legislation to throw out these exact same rules, legislation that passed in the Senate. And yet, his own FCC chairman, his appointee, is suddenly in a huge rush to get this deal done, and if these reports are to be believed, theyre going to try and do this by Christmas, before the end of the year.
http://billmoyers.com/2012/12/03/fcc-moves-towards-more-media-consolidation/
The good thing is that Stoller and his ilk, even with the consolidated media pushing the same line, couldn't help to elect Romney.
He spent the entire pre-election season declaring that electing Romney would be better than re-electing Obama.
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In terms of the Supreme Court itself, Obamas track record is not actually that good. As a senator, Obama publicly chided liberals for demanding that Sen. Patrick Leahy block Sam Alito from the Supreme Court. Meanwhile, Obama-appointed Supreme Court Justice Sonya Sotomayor has in her career already ruled to limit access to abortion, and Elena Kagans stance is not yet clear. Arguing that Romney justices would overturn Roe v. Wade is a concession that Senate Democrats, as they did with Alito and Roberts, would allow an anti-choice justice through the Senate. More likely is that Romney, like Obama, simply does not care about abortion, but does care about the courts business case rulings (the U.S. Chamber went undefeated last year). Romney has already said he wont change abortion laws, and that all women should have access to contraception. He may be lying, but more likely is that he does not care and is being subjected to political pressure. But so is Obama, who is openly embracing abortion rights and contraception now that it is a political asset. In other words, what is moving womens rights is not Obama or Romney, but the fact that a fierce political race has shown that womens rights are popular. The lesson is not to support Obama, who will shelve womens rights for another three years, but to continue making a strong case for womens rights.
The Case for Voting Third Party
So, what is to be done? We have an election, and you probably have a vote. What should you do with it? I think its worth voting for a third party candidate, and Ill explain why below. But first, lets be honest about what voting for Obama means. This requires diving into something I actually detest, which is electoral analysis and the notion of what would a pragmatist do. I tend to find the slur that one need be pragmatic and not a purist condescending and dishonest; no one ever takes an action without a reason to do so. Life is compromise. Every person gets this from the first time he or she, as a kid, asks his or her dad for something his or her mom wont give him. If you are taking action in politics, you have to assume that you are doing it because you want some sort of consequence from it. But even within the desiccated and corroded notion of what passes for democracy in 2012, the claims of the partisans to pragmatism are foolish. There are only five or six states that matter in this election; in the other 44 or 45, your vote on the presidential level doesnt matter. It is as decorative as a vote for an American Idol contestant. So, unless you are in one of the few swing states that matters, a vote for Obama is simply an unabashed endorsement of his policies. But if you are in a swing state, then the question is, what should you do?
Now, and this is subtle, I dont think the case against voting for Obama is airtight. If you are willing to argue that Obama, though he has imposed an authoritarian architecture on the American system, is still a better choice than Romney, fine. I can respect honest disagreement. Heres why I disagree with that analysis. If the White House were a video game where the player was all that mattered, voting for Obama would probably be the most reasonable thing to do. Romney is more likely to attack Iran, which would be just horrific (though Obama might do so as well, we dont really know). But video game policymaking is not how politics actually works the people themselves, what they believe and what they dont, can constrain political leaders. And under Obama, because there is now no one making the anti-torture argument, Americans have become more tolerant of torture, drones, war and authoritarianism in general. The case against Obama is that the people themselves will be better citizens under a Romney administration, distrusting him and placing constraints on his behavior the way they wont on Obama. As a candidate, Obama promised a whole slew of civil liberties protections, lying the whole time. Obama has successfully organized the left part of the Democratic Party into a force that had rhetorically opposed war and civil liberties violations, but now cheerleads a weakened America too frightened to put Osama bin Laden on trial. We must fight this thuggish political culture Bush popularized, and Obama solidified in place.
- more -
http://www.salon.com/2012/10/27/the_progressive_case_against_obama/
In terms of the Supreme Court itself, Obamas track record is not actually that good. As a senator, Obama publicly chided liberals for demanding that Sen. Patrick Leahy block Sam Alito from the Supreme Court. Meanwhile, Obama-appointed Supreme Court Justice Sonya Sotomayor has in her career already ruled to limit access to abortion, and Elena Kagans stance is not yet clear. Arguing that Romney justices would overturn Roe v. Wade is a concession that Senate Democrats, as they did with Alito and Roberts, would allow an anti-choice justice through the Senate. More likely is that Romney, like Obama, simply does not care about abortion, but does care about the courts business case rulings (the U.S. Chamber went undefeated last year). Romney has already said he wont change abortion laws, and that all women should have access to contraception. He may be lying, but more likely is that he does not care and is being subjected to political pressure. But so is Obama, who is openly embracing abortion rights and contraception now that it is a political asset. In other words, what is moving womens rights is not Obama or Romney, but the fact that a fierce political race has shown that womens rights are popular. The lesson is not to support Obama, who will shelve womens rights for another three years, but to continue making a strong case for womens rights.
The Case for Voting Third Party
So, what is to be done? We have an election, and you probably have a vote. What should you do with it? I think its worth voting for a third party candidate, and Ill explain why below. But first, lets be honest about what voting for Obama means. This requires diving into something I actually detest, which is electoral analysis and the notion of what would a pragmatist do. I tend to find the slur that one need be pragmatic and not a purist condescending and dishonest; no one ever takes an action without a reason to do so. Life is compromise. Every person gets this from the first time he or she, as a kid, asks his or her dad for something his or her mom wont give him. If you are taking action in politics, you have to assume that you are doing it because you want some sort of consequence from it. But even within the desiccated and corroded notion of what passes for democracy in 2012, the claims of the partisans to pragmatism are foolish. There are only five or six states that matter in this election; in the other 44 or 45, your vote on the presidential level doesnt matter. It is as decorative as a vote for an American Idol contestant. So, unless you are in one of the few swing states that matters, a vote for Obama is simply an unabashed endorsement of his policies. But if you are in a swing state, then the question is, what should you do?
Now, and this is subtle, I dont think the case against voting for Obama is airtight. If you are willing to argue that Obama, though he has imposed an authoritarian architecture on the American system, is still a better choice than Romney, fine. I can respect honest disagreement. Heres why I disagree with that analysis. If the White House were a video game where the player was all that mattered, voting for Obama would probably be the most reasonable thing to do. Romney is more likely to attack Iran, which would be just horrific (though Obama might do so as well, we dont really know). But video game policymaking is not how politics actually works the people themselves, what they believe and what they dont, can constrain political leaders. And under Obama, because there is now no one making the anti-torture argument, Americans have become more tolerant of torture, drones, war and authoritarianism in general. The case against Obama is that the people themselves will be better citizens under a Romney administration, distrusting him and placing constraints on his behavior the way they wont on Obama. As a candidate, Obama promised a whole slew of civil liberties protections, lying the whole time. Obama has successfully organized the left part of the Democratic Party into a force that had rhetorically opposed war and civil liberties violations, but now cheerleads a weakened America too frightened to put Osama bin Laden on trial. We must fight this thuggish political culture Bush popularized, and Obama solidified in place.
- more -
http://www.salon.com/2012/10/27/the_progressive_case_against_obama/
Cenk Uygur, host of Current TVs The Young Turks, asks Matt Stoller, a fellow at the Roosevelt Institute, why the Obama administration hasnt done more to challenge Wall Street and the big banks, and what Stoller thinks Mitt Romney would do if he were elected. Stoller answers that because Mitt Romney changes his positions so often, he might be easier to convince than Obama. Barack Obama is a neo-liberal ideologue, Stoller says. He has a strong, rigid view on what is right, and he doesnt move, evidence be damned.
http://current.com/shows/viewpoint/videos/he-doesnt-move-evidence-be-damned-says-matt-stoller-of-obamas-approach-to-the-big-banks/
http://current.com/shows/viewpoint/videos/he-doesnt-move-evidence-be-damned-says-matt-stoller-of-obamas-approach-to-the-big-banks/
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That's what's so sad, Jackpine -- they occupy the role that liberal-leaning Repubs did in the 70's
villager
Dec 2012
#4
WTF does that have to do with the fact that Thom Hartmann has gone all CTish?
RomneyLies
Dec 2012
#81
Well... When You Have An Un-abiding Respect For A Politician... This Is A Possible Outcome...
WillyT
Dec 2012
#83
I have no idea what you're talking about, so here's a picture of a bunny with a pancake on its head
RomneyLies
Dec 2012
#84
Funny how suddenly Matt Stoller, who used to be such a blind partisan, is now
sabrina 1
Dec 2012
#88
I wish more people understood the immense harm that was caused by media consolidation!
bluethruandthru
Dec 2012
#11
Please tell me that there are still true liberals out there in politicsland somewhere.
jillan
Dec 2012
#16
Yep, exactly, and they already have. The internet will succumb to this too, it's just a matter
RKP5637
Dec 2012
#42
Sometimes it seems that the only difference between Democrats and Republicans
AZ Progressive
Dec 2012
#26
Yes. The two-party system is a scam now, a "good cop"/"bad cop" game,
woo me with science
Dec 2012
#30
Change? Yep, change is happening all of the time, but not the change many of us envisioned. n/t
RKP5637
Dec 2012
#45
I heard today that increasing taxes on incomes over $250K will be enough for one week.
merrily
Dec 2012
#51
Sadly, the SCOTUS took away the one leverage that the feds had to persuade states
merrily
Dec 2012
#54
Absolutely. That poster will defend anything this administration does,
woo me with science
Dec 2012
#41
Shhhhh! Don't tell people about the ACA deductable ...that they can't afford to pay.
L0oniX
Dec 2012
#50
This report is a month old. In fairness, you could have had included the FCC response.
pnwmom
Dec 2012
#24
Including that wouldn't allow for the appropriate amount of anti-Obama outrage to be generated...nt
SidDithers
Dec 2012
#62
well that ought to make the media completely obsolete, i mean who really listens to them now?
No Compromise
Dec 2012
#25
President Obama was never in a postition to reject DOMA. Only Clinton was, and he signed it. DOMA
merrily
Dec 2012
#56
NOT an excuse. An explanation: When so many people from across the full political spectrum are soooo
patrice
Dec 2012
#32
updare this old IWW poster with some media/FCC icons @ the We Fool You level hmmm?
lunasun
Dec 2012
#58