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cui bono

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175. Okay, really, you have to accept reality and facts to have a discussion.

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 03:35 PM

Dec 2012

You are contorting yourself trying to make it so that something that actually happened in the real world didn't happen in order to fit your preconceived notion of PBO I guess. Cognitive dissonance is trying I suppose.

Last time:

Fact: PBO put SS on the table, verified by his very own press secretary, Jay Carney, at a press briefing that was reported in the papers and on TV. There is recorded evidence that this actually happened.

Apparent Fact: PBO did not retract this offer/proposal. I say apparent because you haven't said he did retract it and it seems pretty clear that if he had you would have provided evidence of this.

That is all that was asked and sort of answered.

So, yes, apparently it's still on the table unless PBO says that it's no longer part of the offer. Did he say that?

All of the above is from reality, not my imagination. But feel free to let your imagination go wild. Yet again.

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Your hair has been on fire so many times in the last 3 year, you must be bald by now. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #84

And Now That It's Apparent There Will Never Be Any Cuts Skraxx Dec 2012 #98

Did PBO retract his offer? cui bono Dec 2012 #143

Is There A Deal That Contains Cuts? Legislation? How About Any Hypothetical Discussions? Skraxx Dec 2012 #151

Yes. There was a press briefing where Carney said that PBO proposed SS cuts cui bono Dec 2012 #155

Is Obama going to make a deal that cuts SS by the end of the year ... yes or no. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #163

I'm not a psychic. I hope he retracts the offer. cui bono Dec 2012 #172

Did he put it on the table this week, during the debt ceiling fight last year or ... JoePhilly Dec 2012 #182

He did it right before Boehner tried to pass his Plan B. cui bono Dec 2012 #183

The claim that Obama has "put SS on the table" here on DU actually goes back to the debt JoePhilly Dec 2012 #185

You keep ignoring the fact that HE PUT SS ON THE TABLE. cui bono Dec 2012 #187

Exactly, In Fact, Not Only Has SS Always Been "On The Table" Skraxx Dec 2012 #191

So That's In A Deal? Or Legislation? Part Of Some Current Negotiations Or Hypothetical Discussion? Skraxx Dec 2012 #164

I guess you didn't read or hear the press briefing. cui bono Dec 2012 #170

So You Admit There Are No Current Discussions, Negotiations, Deals or Legislation Regarding Any Cuts Skraxx Dec 2012 #171

Sorry, but WTF are you talking about? cui bono Dec 2012 #173

What Table Would They Be On, If They Are Not Included In Any Discussions, Negotiations, Deals or Skraxx Dec 2012 #174

Okay, really, you have to accept reality and facts to have a discussion. cui bono Dec 2012 #175

What Table? They Are Not In Any Legislation, Deals, Discussions, Hypothetical or Otherwise Skraxx Dec 2012 #176

I see now that you really did miss the press briefing so here's the link. cui bono Dec 2012 #178

Actually, I'm Missing The Table, That Press Briefing Is Irrelevant, You Have Yet To Provide Anything Skraxx Dec 2012 #179

Again, you have to deal with reality and facts, which you refuse to do. cui bono Dec 2012 #180

Reality? Like The Reality That There Are No Cuts, In Any Way Shape or Form, In A Deal, Discussion Skraxx Dec 2012 #181

For Pete's sake! Did Obama put SS on the table, according to Carney, or not? ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #186

What Table? Skraxx Dec 2012 #188

So, rather than answer the question you instead want to focus ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #192

No, YOU Are Focusing On An IMAGINARY Table, One That Supposedly Has SS Cuts On It Skraxx Dec 2012 #194

You wanna goddamned table? Here's you one right here --> ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #197

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