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NNadir

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28. I think organic chemistry is generally taught badly, probably for historical reasons.
Sun Dec 14, 2025, 10:31 PM
Dec 14

I hate hearing from people that it's all "memorization," probably because of the bad habit of being required to being familiar with named reactions. I think that's because they're badly taught.

One has to take an upper level class, generally in physical organic chemistry, to understand that it represents a systematic science that is quite independent of what are often special cases represented by named reactions.

It is the mechanism that matters, not the name. The Cope rearrangement and the Diels Alder condensation are actually the same damn thing, if one looks at it appropriately in my opinion.

I remember, when I was familiar with named reactions, and quite proud of being so, I encountered a book that was classic in my times, March's "Advanced Organic Chemistry," which dispensed with named reactions. At first I found it bothersome, but after a while I got it through my thick head that there was a point to that.

I have no idea whether editions of March are still in use, but hopefully young undergraduates (and old undergraduates, as they may exist) are exposed to something along those lines.

If you go to the "science" section of any general bookstore, one will be surprised to find any chemistry related books, which is a terrible disgrace to my mind. Many of these boil down almost to biographies of the "cool" scientists. I deeply regret that many, most, university bookstores have now been outsourced to Barnes and Nobel. This is a horrible thing, although I will confess that today's students can find quite a few books on line and download them if their University has a good library.

I have a hard time deciding whether I really want paper books or electronic books. I'm sure my home office, which is pretty much wall to wall books, would need to be three or four, maybe even more, times larger if the books on my thumb drive - and the journal articles as well - as well as those on my hard drive, were all paper. It's true that electronic books allow for searching, but when one does a targeted search electronically, one loses some of the ability to stumble across things that appear almost randomly, but nonetheless prove to be important.

(When I'm reading history, my hobby, I insist on paper, because generally I read history at bedtime.)

I trust you are happy with the nursing profession. It is, I think, one of the world's most important professions.

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It's okay! We all have something that we fell for, or had pushed at us. Maru Kitteh Dec 14 #1
In our defense UpInArms Dec 14 #2
For those either not familiar with Atlas Shrugged, or it's 'been a while', I offer an abridged version. Abolishinist Dec 14 #3
Oh man! I saw this here once before and regretted not knowing the source. Do you know it? NNadir Dec 14 #4
I've posted it here before, Abolishinist Dec 14 #14
You are brilliant. mr715 Dec 14 #8
I wish I could give the author proper credit, but I copied this Abolishinist Dec 14 #16
I was confused and disturbed by Atlas Shrugged when I was young. dgauss Dec 14 #26
It's as I remembered "Atlas Shrugged". Hugin Monday #44
So, your Organic Chemistry book... ret5hd Dec 14 #5
I'm happy to say, that to my knowledge, there is only one Ayn Rand book on these old shelves. NNadir Dec 14 #7
I have a lot of Ayn Rand... mr715 Dec 14 #6
That's rich: "Philosophical Biohazard." Mind if I steal it if I ever find myself discussing Ayn Rand again? NNadir Dec 14 #9
Please share. mr715 Dec 14 #12
On 'Atlas Shrugged' RetiredParatrooper Dec 14 #34
Dorothy Parker on 'Atlas Shrugged' RetiredParatrooper Dec 14 #35
I hope that you got rid of it TexasTowelie Dec 14 #10
Well, I don't know. Maybe I should keep it around to remind myself that I can be stupid. NNadir Dec 14 #11
Nah- sometimes burning a book actually can be recommended biophile Dec 14 #15
Morrison and Boyd's Organic Chemistry was the one I used. harumph Dec 14 #13
I gave a copy, an earlier edition to a guy who worked for me. I actually have several... NNadir Dec 14 #19
Nature of the Chemical Bond by Linus Pauling harumph Monday #36
I'm starting the annual book shelves cleaning this week malaise Dec 14 #17
One's political philosophy should result from intellectual inquiry, not blind faith. snot Dec 14 #18
I rather like your perspective, more generous to me than I am to myself. In fact... NNadir Dec 14 #23
There still are powerful people who embrace her philosophy. snot Monday #46
It sounds like you grew out of it in high school. mjvpi Dec 14 #20
I too read Ayn Rand's books as a youth and admired them. Morbius Dec 14 #21
It's as if she took communism Turbineguy Dec 14 #24
I still have her books - I read them as a teen jfz9580m Monday #37
I recall very well being offended by that billboard remark. NNadir Monday #41
My take was that the right picked up Rand as a reaction to all of the era of socialist writers that preceded her. Hugin Monday #45
Oh, gawd - Morrison and Boyd! The stuff of my nightmares. 3catwoman3 Dec 14 #22
I think organic chemistry is generally taught badly, probably for historical reasons. NNadir Dec 14 #28
The 3 things I remember from that long ago course are... 3catwoman3 Dec 14 #32
Not to butt in jfz9580m Monday #43
The story of Kekule's "dream," has inspired a lot of psychological speculations on scientific creativity. NNadir Monday #47
Organic chem wherein, my cousin told me EverHopeful Dec 14 #33
A long-lost ending of 'Atlas Shrugged' RetiredParatrooper Dec 14 #25
Wow! Someone got to the end without falling asleep. Impressive. (Pretty funny ersatz ending, I think.) NNadir Dec 14 #31
I have retained a number of stupid things from my stupid youth. One *not* stupid thing that I kept Ocelot II Dec 14 #27
I feel your pain. I really do. I suspect most of us do. NNadir Dec 14 #30
i'll admit to a youthful flirtation with ayn rand rampartd Dec 14 #29
God yeah jfz9580m Monday #38
It's Eleanor Roosevelt, who I consider the greatest Democrat of the 20th century. NNadir Monday #40
I really should read more about her jfz9580m Monday #42
Everyone should have read them when a teen HAB911 Monday #39
I read both The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged... Chemical Bill Monday #48
And I read Morrison and Boyd in college. Chemical Bill Monday #49
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