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Melissa G

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110. You are NOT simply stating facts.

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 04:28 PM

Dec 2012

You have no idea what will or will not be in a final deal. None those assertions are facts. Just your predictions.

What I will say on record is that it is DAMAGING to social security for a Democratic legislator or president to put cuts on the table, especially since neither social security nor medicare are deficit drivers. The WAR machine is a deficit driver.

There was another thread on DU talking about an anti lynching law which never passed. The rhetoric about the law created a reality that basically made the law unnecessary. That is a case where language helped shift reality in a positive way.
Misleading language can create a negative outcome around social security. It can create a reality that makes cuts more probable and Dems should not be complicit in this... In Any Year.

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The offer of the Chained CPI is a 'Brilliant Strategy'! Could someone explain this please? [View all] sabrina 1 Dec 2012 OP

It is the football that Lucy currently holds so Charlie Brown can try to kick it. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #1

I'm sorry, that doesn't make any sense to me at all. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #2

Don't you see? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #4

Manny ... Is Obama going to cave and make a deal which cuts SS by the end of the year?" Yes / No. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #6

Do you consider the Chained CPI to be a cut to SS? sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #7

Since it results in lower benefits over time than what would otherwise occur mbperrin Dec 2012 #36

Thank you that is how I see it and that is how Veterans and all other Dem sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #62

Can hookers be convicted for simply offering to shtup? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #9

So you agree with regressive anti-prostitution laws? joshcryer Dec 2012 #12

Oh boy. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #15

Not going to answer the question? Anti-John laws have shown consistently... joshcryer Dec 2012 #18

Have I told you that I love you? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #21

For what it's worth... joshcryer Dec 2012 #26

And Happy Holidays to you Manny truedelphi Dec 2012 #51

Yes - the Social Security tax cut. Cuts the amount of money going into SS. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #19

Manny ... Is Obama going to cave and make a deal which cuts SS by the end of the year?" Yes / No. pomkrazy Dec 2012 #93

Well, I'm trying to see and understand the claims that this is some brilliant sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #23

Face the facts, babe: MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #25

Lol, this must be true because no matter how hard I try, I cannot figure it out, this sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #32

Where did I say that SS contributes to the deficit??? JoePhilly Dec 2012 #5

Yep, the poverty exemption assures it will not happen that way. joshcryer Dec 2012 #11

How does exempting the poorest from the Chained CPI lift them out of poverty? Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #50

Their base income is increased to some value above 125% poverty. joshcryer Dec 2012 #55

Where did you read that? Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #56

That's because Pelosi is taken out of context by liars. joshcryer Dec 2012 #63

I tend to trust Pelosi Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #65

You tend to trust Nancy impeachment-is-off-the-table Pelosi? Good for you. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #67

Is that you Newt? Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #75

War criminals should be in prison. They should not be walking around free, rich, and happy. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #85

So you would Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #89

Nancy Pelosi said this week that the Chained CPI will 'strengthen SS' and that sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #71

Last year the Treasury had to borrow Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #77

The SS Fund has more than one source of revenue. That is why despite the sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #91

I don't disagree... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #96

Well, I think we basically agree. The main point though is that while SS sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #100

I'll tell you what really worries me about Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #101

Nancy Pelosi said this week that the Chained CPI will 'strengthen SS' and that pomkrazy Dec 2012 #94

So then Nancy Pelosi was wrong to say she will support Obama's inclusion of the sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #14

But Obama put them on the table - that's the problem grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #20

Those programs exist, the GOP hates them, therefore, they are always on the table. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #38

They hate the 14th amendment, why not put that on the table? Because it has nothing grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #79

Is Obama going to make a deal that cuts SS by the end of the year ... yes or no. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #105

No, but only because we've raised holy hell about about it. That said, grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #106

I think ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #37

Well, that was not the question though. There are people here on DU who sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #53

Because ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #66

Why should everyone else receive cuts? Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #70

Okay n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #73

What are these exemptions? Bernie Sanders and many other respected Dems sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #74

That's my point ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #76

No, there is not any reason for a Fund that is independent of the Fed Budget sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #81

Okay n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #83

Nonsense. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #8

LOL limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #61

There is no reason for Social Security to be in a deficit discussion Melissa G Dec 2012 #16

Its more than a defict discussion. Always has been. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #40

And how does a discussion of the problems with the Fed Budget have anything to sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #58

Yes, and that doesn't matter. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #107

Your posts are not complete or logical. Melissa G Dec 2012 #78

I'm simply stating facts. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #108

You are NOT simply stating facts. Melissa G Dec 2012 #110

But that is not what was offered when SS was put on the table! it is cutting benefits! SugarShack Dec 2012 #27

So do you predict that Obama will agree to a deal that cuts SS by the end of this year? Yes or No. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #42

Respectfully, that's ludicrous. Demo_Chris Dec 2012 #52

If this ends up being part of a deal made with Republicans, Democrats sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #68

So is your prediction that he will make a deal to cut SS by the end of the year. Yes or No. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #109

+1 Liberalynn Dec 2012 #3

No more GRAND DEALS including the kitchen sink. _Liann_ Dec 2012 #10

+1 grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #22

Couldn't agree more, but if they did things the logical way as you laid out, sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #64

I fail to see the "brilliance" in the President ... ProfessionalLeftist Dec 2012 #13

+1 nashville_brook Dec 2012 #17

I agree, but I am being told here on DU that putting SS cuts on this table sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #24

because many here just can't believe Obama would do such a thing, but he HAS! SugarShack Dec 2012 #28

Respect? How do you know how people came to the decisions they have? If you can say that patrice Dec 2012 #30

Thank you. 840high Dec 2012 #45

So is your prediction that he will make a deal to cut SS by the end of the year. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #43

It speaks to Repubs' 47%. Getting MORE people to stand up to their "representation" is good, that is patrice Dec 2012 #29

Well, we're not talking about 'demogogues on the internet' we are talking about sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #31

The only thing from Sanders about the CPI that I have seen was a chart showing the slowing in the patrice Dec 2012 #34

Bernie Sanders on the Chained CPI: sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #39

Thanks, Senator Sanders is good enough for me. nt patrice Dec 2012 #69

What I find amazing... former_con Dec 2012 #33

Why? in a word, Congress. And what calls itself "the Left" is getting all of the mileage it can out patrice Dec 2012 #35

Yep former_con Dec 2012 #41

I gather you are not impressed with "the Left". madfloridian Dec 2012 #47

What do you mean by 'the left'? Maybe I am misuderstanding you but you seem sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #59

I took it to mean the poster is former_con Dec 2012 #92

Why, indeed? CrispyQ Dec 2012 #90

good luck stupidicus Dec 2012 #44

Good post. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #97

that's it in a nutshell alrighty stupidicus Dec 2012 #104

Doggone it, Sabrina. There you go playing checkers again. madfloridian Dec 2012 #46

Omg, did Plouffe really say that? I can't believe it! Who are these people who sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #72

Between six and seven sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #48

Exactly, that is what we should be discussing. But even here on DU I see sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #82

Right now I am focused upon what is happening in Newtown bluestateguy Dec 2012 #49

We can do both. It won't help Veterans, Seniors and the most vulnerable sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #54

I thought he was just going to wash Boehner's car leftstreet Dec 2012 #57

Maybe Obama secretly wants to cut social security. limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #60

DING DING DING! We have a winner! grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #80

+1 forestpath Dec 2012 #88

Maybe Obama secretly wants to cut social security. pomkrazy Dec 2012 #98

There is nothing brilliant about.... NCTraveler Dec 2012 #84

I'm waiting for the entire democratic party to say what Representative Brown said: CrispyQ Dec 2012 #86

It's a huge betrayal and kick in the teeth to vulnerable people. forestpath Dec 2012 #87

this n/t ^^^^^ warrprayer Dec 2012 #95

You go with what you got. If that's all you have, you use it. Autumn Dec 2012 #99

Its a sleight of hand. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #102

Thanks, that is correct. It is the attempt to deceive that has angered so many sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #103