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140. Yep....no conspiracy involved in the assassination of Lincoln, or the attempted coup.....
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:48 PM
Dec 2012

....against FDR, or the killing of RFK where a lot more bullet holes turned up in the evidence then Sirhan had bullets in his gun.

Yep....conspiracies don't happen here....just everywhere else.

Anyone who believes Oswald acted alone is a fool dballance Dec 2012 #1
But, but life is so much easier w/o complications. Denial is sooo nice sometimes. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #4
Denial is the undoing of these United States NEOBuckeye Dec 2012 #24
I agree. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #39
Back in early 1970's, published in, of all places, Computer World, was a very detailed discussion kelliekat44 Dec 2012 #228
Anyone else seen this article? nt kelliekat44 Dec 2012 #257
You may be thinking of 'Computers and Automation' Mc Mike Dec 2012 #260
Vincent Bugliosi, in "Reclaiming History," examines this issue (of coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #262
"Reclaiming History" is not fiction? MinM Dec 2012 #266
"RH" should win a Pulitzer, imho, not that most Americans will ever bother coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #267
you're right zappaman Dec 2012 #269
Speaking of entertaining, have you read the novel 'The Tears of Autumn' by coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #271
Sounds good. zappaman Dec 2012 #272
I'm going through the whole op and subthreads for the third time, now. Mc Mike Dec 2012 #273
And here's a link to a (not complete) list of witnesses/connected individuals who died, Mc Mike Jan 2013 #294
@johnsimkin: Harold Feldman published an important article on the JFK assassination in The Nation... MinM Dec 2012 #258
I'll never understand how Ted Kennedy accepted the official story Ter Dec 2012 #30
I honestly don't think he believed it after Bobby Kennedy made it clear that he knew what happened.. MrMickeysMom Dec 2012 #34
he may have done so barbtries Dec 2012 #84
I suspect T. Kennedy did what he thought was best dballance Dec 2012 #127
You're wrong cpwm17 Dec 2012 #57
Perhaps you should watch the film again dballance Dec 2012 #65
Click on the link to the Creative Speculation thread cpwm17 Dec 2012 #76
LOL! More fiction from the "LHO did it alone" crowd!.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #81
You changed the subject and didn't address the evidence cpwm17 Dec 2012 #82
And you obviously believe Arlen Specter's bogus "Single Bullet Theory". Enough said. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #83
You are ... BlueNoteSpecial Dec 2012 #157
sometimes .... wildbilln864 Dec 2012 #162
dballance in post #1 made a particular claim concerning the direction of the shot cpwm17 Dec 2012 #199
see post #194. nt wildbilln864 Dec 2012 #233
You're correct, but don't expect the JFK CTists to bother viewing the evidence. stopbush Dec 2012 #158
You're right – It does seem that the majority of Americans cpwm17 Dec 2012 #173
Well perhaps if the government allowed all the evidence to be public it could be reviewed. dballance Dec 2012 #194
I don't think there's much left to release... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #201
CIA assigned 1963 Oswald minder George Joannides the 1977 job of liaison with HSCA. Octafish Dec 2012 #206
I don't believe LHO acted alone, either. And I also believe the CIA was involved... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #207
It is most troubling, seeing the way history has unfolded since that terrible day. Octafish Dec 2012 #211
He was in Dallas. So was Nixon. Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #214
A friend of mine, who was in the Korean War, said that the "jerk backwards" that JFK did... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #200
If fact, had your friend been able to do a frame-by-frame film analysis, such coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #204
Ever watch slow motion video of a bullet hitting a mellon. Eddie Haskell Dec 2012 #285
JFK was no mellon. Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #286
I don't believe Oswald acted alone. Certainly, the congressional Commission on Assassinations didn't Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #70
That photo is not clear, but the record of his call to the FBI is clear. Festivito Dec 2012 #123
The Business Coup has been known for decades (and is irrelevant in this discussion)... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #136
Who says the "more than 10 people involved" are still alive? dballance Dec 2012 #195
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #71
Here is what 'morons' who were there actually said... Octafish Dec 2012 #85
That Post Got Hidden Octafish HangOnKids Dec 2012 #135
One needs courage to stand for what one actually saw and heard Berlum Dec 2012 #245
Thanks for your kind words dballance Dec 2012 #115
Autopsy results on JFK hidden, no examination of Connelly after he died... rwsanders Dec 2012 #153
Those kinds of accusations are meaningless on a handled internet forum. You could be CIA or stevenleser Dec 2012 #264
I agree, I wasn't really accusing anyone, but I rwsanders Jan 2013 #295
Have you read Vincent Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History" yet? If not, I strongly coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #80
Hey, you checked this book out? zappaman Dec 2012 #101
I'm on the final chapter ("Conclusion of No Conspiracy") now and hope to coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #148
I've never read all 26 volumes of the WC, like some posters have claimed to. zappaman Dec 2012 #151
Agreed Mr Dixon Dec 2012 #113
The thought has occurred to me over the years: What if he disclosed everything, NBachers Dec 2012 #2
Babs would never allow it. tblue Dec 2012 #19
I agree as long as wife and sons are alive marlakay Dec 2012 #97
I think that is why they are insisting on so much "privacy" don't want anyone catching a stray word. rwsanders Dec 2012 #160
That's what Hunt did. Read the Rolling Stone article. Last Stand Dec 2012 #180
Thank you for this article Ian62 Dec 2012 #197
how about trading with the enemy roguevalley Dec 2012 #3
I already have that in the link Ian62 Dec 2012 #6
good, Ian. thank you. roguevalley Dec 2012 #50
how about the October Surprise. Plus the strategy of minority tools like Clarence THOMAS UTUSN Dec 2012 #79
Poppy sold his sole to the devil. He will have to pay his dues. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #5
Poppy's pappy sold his soul first... MrMickeysMom Dec 2012 #35
May their whole family go to hell. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #38
Aren't they responsible for H E double toothpicks? MrMickeysMom Dec 2012 #92
Good point. They probably welcome hell. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #93
Wasn't he also in the plot to overthrow FDR, the one they tried to recruit Mj. Gen Smedley Butler? rwsanders Dec 2012 #161
Right on... MrMickeysMom Dec 2012 #190
I was speaking to my aunt last night dflprincess Dec 2012 #107
poppy has no soul and.... wildbilln864 Dec 2012 #166
Read "Blood, Money and Power, how LBJ killed JFK" by Barr McClellan for additional information Samantha Dec 2012 #7
CT's galore! Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #9
Those who think LBJ had a role in the assassination of JFK have a very high hurdle to coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #96
Look who was on that Commission... All of them were enemies of Kennedy MessiahRp Dec 2012 #139
You really need to read Vincent Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History". Bugliosi coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #149
"The book changed the way I view the assassination of JFK." zappaman Dec 2012 #152
While I would never have described myself previously as a "CTer," I suppose I coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #155
+1 n/t zappaman Dec 2012 #159
Robert Oswald's interview is another eye-opener kskiska Dec 2012 #248
Great interview. zappaman Dec 2012 #251
Bruce Ivins' brother (Anthrax Case) turned on him too... MinM Dec 2012 #256
Thank you for posting. As a brother who has a (younger) brother who coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #268
"...Mr. and Mrs. Paine are somehow involved in this affair." MinM Feb 2013 #296
They wanted to secure "notoriety" for themselves? Really? PCIntern Dec 2012 #253
Your syntax is so garbled that I'm having trouble discerning exactly what's got coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #255
"Do you believe that Obama is a Kenyan?' zappaman Dec 2012 #261
I don't think all members of the Warren Commission were 'enemies of Kennedy'. Perhaps coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #182
And I highly recommend Blood, Money & Power simply for the evidence the author produced Samantha Dec 2012 #164
You mean these tapes? boomer55 Dec 2012 #114
I have not listened to the tapes but thank you for reminding me of them Samantha Dec 2012 #167
Oy vey... GHWB had nothing to do w/ the JFK assassination... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #8
Are you about to tell us that it was felled by arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #10
That's what happened.What's your version? Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #11
Who am I to disavow you of your belief arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #14
Heehee! You answered my post, unsolicited... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #15
I've often observed that a rather efficient way to prevent LanternWaste Dec 2012 #88
I call such theories "CT's" because that's what they are Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #94
So you believe conspiracies never happen? whathehell Dec 2012 #169
There's conspiracies. And then, there's theories... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #177
When facts are lacking, everything is a CT. Your theory is nothing more than sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #224
Oh please zappaman Dec 2012 #225
Lol, hilarious ... sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #227
You're really making no sense cpwm17 Dec 2012 #235
Talk about not making sense. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #246
You really are trying rather hard to try and put tin foil hats on people Ian62 Dec 2012 #288
I have marked your card as someone not to be trusted or believed Ian62 Dec 2012 #290
It would seem that Cooley Hurd & cpwm17 are working together Ian62 Dec 2012 #291
It's not surprising that someone who promotes conspiracies cpwm17 Dec 2012 #292
My "theory" is based on established fact... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #232
A plane slammed into it?? sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #29
No, that massive building (the North Tower) that slammed into it cpwm17 Dec 2012 #54
Um, perhaps you missed the fact that both WTC1 and WTC2 collapsed into themselves? dballance Dec 2012 #121
Actually, WTC1 & WTC2 didn't collapse into themselves – not even close. cpwm17 Dec 2012 #130
You still have not explained why common building fires might have brought down WTC7 dballance Dec 2012 #132
The interiors pancaked, but the outer shells fell outward. Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #178
Can you support that? freedom fighter jh Dec 2012 #147
it''s gone man! wildbilln864 Dec 2012 #234
Long time, wildbilln freedom fighter jh Dec 2012 #244
AE911TRUTH is a Richard Gage operation cpwm17 Dec 2012 #243
Responses freedom fighter jh Dec 2012 #247
I'm being brief so as not to hijack this thread cpwm17 Dec 2012 #249
1. You disagree with Richard Gage on one fact and therefore freedom fighter jh Dec 2012 #250
Here's what happened by all sane accounts... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #69
Google it. John Kerry was recorded stating that it was brought down in a 'controlled sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #99
I did not know John Kerry was a controlled demolitions expert! zappaman Dec 2012 #102
I don't believe I said what I believe. I merely pointed out that John Kerry sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #118
I think Kerry got tricked by the question. joshcryer Dec 2012 #187
C'mon! It's PERFECTLY SAFE to go into a tilting building-on-fire with explosives! Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #241
What about the Bay of Pigs? Boomerproud Dec 2012 #52
Read my post again: Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #61
I read your post. Boomerproud Dec 2012 #145
You didn't ask a question... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #163
yes he did! perhaps.... wildbilln864 Dec 2012 #236
Perhaps your reading comprehension skills prevented you from properly following the thread: Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #237
you said he asked no questions. I simply corrected your error! wildbilln864 Dec 2012 #239
Nice sexism: "Panties in a wad". Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #240
Heh Jim Warren Dec 2012 #62
That would be a first, here... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #66
Hmmm Jim Warren Dec 2012 #122
Hmmm Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #137
Diversionary tactics Jim Warren Dec 2012 #185
someone has the vapors! Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #193
Are you trying to discredit this post by referencing a completely unrelated event Ian62 Dec 2012 #87
No, but when the messenger is suspect... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #95
I think 9/11 was whom we said did it Taverner Dec 2012 #280
Keep in mind, conspiracies DO happen Taverner Dec 2012 #282
... Arugula Latte Dec 2012 #12
That is the most absurd assertion I have ever seen in my life RomneyLies Dec 2012 #73
OMIGOD!!!! zappaman Dec 2012 #104
I just used your logic ... It all makes sense now! MrMickeysMom Dec 2012 #111
Yes, and he cleverly shaved small portions of his head so his hairline would appear similar -- but MADem Dec 2012 #202
What's so funny? Jim Warren Dec 2012 #13
Well that is just downright creepy. Marie Marie Dec 2012 #16
Yes, it makes you wonder... JazzQuipster Dec 2012 #22
lol 2pooped2pop Dec 2012 #28
So, you did see him laugh Jim Warren Dec 2012 #36
Welcome to DU, JazzQuipster! calimary Dec 2012 #42
I understand and have the same fantasy for arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #63
You forgot a crucial question (imo): did William Shakespeare of coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #90
"I did...and my wife and I wrote the Sonnets". Nt PCIntern Dec 2012 #254
Well, Congress voted to go to war with Iraq over evidence inferior to this MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #75
LHO was also indisputably a committed Marxist who admired Castro and one who took serious coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #86
Shhhhhhh!!!!! zappaman Dec 2012 #105
Is that what they taught you in high school a few years ago? whathehell Dec 2012 #176
Does 42 years count as a "few years ago?" JazzQuipster Dec 2012 #198
Why would a CTer read a book with facts? zappaman Dec 2012 #218
How odd. Thanks for the clip. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #20
Wow. That is bizarre. He has no remorse on the murder of JFK. Nada. glinda Dec 2012 #31
Russ Baker's book was fascinating. Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #17
How much do you know about the meeting that took place the night before JFK's murder.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #18
For some, the truth is overrated. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #21
This subject belongs in Creative Speculation frogmarch Dec 2012 #23
I am sick of this attitude Tumbulu Dec 2012 #27
All of the evidence is that Oswald acted alone. cpwm17 Dec 2012 #51
No, that is not correct. Here's what the evidence says: Octafish Dec 2012 #98
No, he was correct, my good friend. zappaman Dec 2012 #108
John McAdams is a professional debunker who has made a career of espousing the lone-nut line. Octafish Dec 2012 #110
Oh, my friend... zappaman Dec 2012 #112
Why do you continue with your nonsense, zappaman? Octafish Dec 2012 #188
I worry about you, old friend. zappaman Dec 2012 #219
Why did the CIA hire the MAFIA in 1960 to kill Castro? Octafish Dec 2012 #223
Why won't you answer my question, old chum? zappaman Dec 2012 #226
The truth is, I've never claimed to know that, zappaman. Octafish Dec 2012 #229
Show me where I have made personal attacks, old friend. zappaman Dec 2012 #252
Here's one example. Octafish Dec 2012 #259
Yes, Inspector Clouseau always got his man! zappaman Dec 2012 #263
You asked me that last time you attempted to divert discussion of the JFK assassination. Octafish Dec 2012 #265
Why won't you answer questions? zappaman Dec 2012 #270
Questions? Your puerile demands? Your straw men? Why don't you ever criticize the BFEE, zappamaman? Octafish Dec 2012 #274
Oh talk about strawman zappaman Dec 2012 #283
Is this the guy? Octafish Dec 2012 #287
Here's my educated guess... MinM Dec 2012 #275
Wrong. zappaman Dec 2012 #281
The Final Govt Investigation concluded there was a Conspiracy... MinM Dec 2012 #289
NO - the evidence is that only three of the bullets could have come from Oswald Taverner Dec 2012 #284
And some are sick of the attitude jberryhill Dec 2012 #276
And there's the real CT, right there in the last sentence! sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #32
Older people my age watoos Dec 2012 #25
I always thought brettdale Dec 2012 #26
He also said his wife disagrees with him about that dflprincess Dec 2012 #33
I love Stephen King, but he's a writer of fiction. Period. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #49
So the big name they want to hold up as arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #64
Um, Vincent Bugliosi also makes an incredibly substantive case that LHO coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #89
In all his writings this was the only time I arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #103
Why did you disagree? And on what grounds specifically? I'm just starting coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #181
Bugliosi's book has been thoroughly debunked... MinM Dec 2012 #128
Thank you. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #142
Thanks for that link. I would hardly conclude from it, though, that Bugliosi's book coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #179
That actually was just 1 of 12... MinM Dec 2012 #203
Thanks again for the additional links. I'm somewhat new to the back alleys and coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #205
No, his book has not been debunked. zappaman Dec 2012 #222
Except, yes, Bugliosi's book has been debunked. Octafish Dec 2012 #230
thank you octafish! nt wildbilln864 Dec 2012 #238
Welcome to DU, watoos! calimary Dec 2012 #43
Nixon also claimed that he wasn't in Dallas that day until an investigative reporter.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #53
The Secret Team reteachinwi Dec 2012 #37
Welcome to DU, reteachinwi! calimary Dec 2012 #45
Thank you for the welcome reteachinwi Dec 2012 #55
Yeah. 'Fraid we get pretty wild and wooly here sometimes. calimary Dec 2012 #58
It's why I come back reteachinwi Dec 2012 #77
You can find the entire book at the link inside.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #56
Well, who knows? Stranger things have happened. calimary Dec 2012 #59
Lots of Righties In Dallas That Day colsohlibgal Dec 2012 #40
Oswald Jim Warren Dec 2012 #41
Oswald and the CIA, by John Newman: Gabi Hayes Dec 2012 #44
Angleton may have been involved, but at a lower level. MessiahRp Dec 2012 #143
any prouty connection is suspect.....he just went too far with Gabi Hayes Dec 2012 #231
I've read James Douglass' book! LongTomH Dec 2012 #184
Man, the people on this thread need to adjust the tinfoil RomneyLies Dec 2012 #46
A surprising number of liberals fall for this CT nonsense cpwm17 Dec 2012 #48
"A surprising number of liberals...their ridiculous theories..." VOX Dec 2012 #116
Is it liberal to disregard the double murderer who murdered JFK? cpwm17 Dec 2012 #124
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #141
People are murdered all of the time with guns cpwm17 Dec 2012 #144
Only manufactured evidence points to Oswald. MessiahRp Dec 2012 #150
Except he did. zappaman Dec 2012 #154
I've read a number of books on the subject. MessiahRp Dec 2012 #165
Bet I've read more than you. zappaman Dec 2012 #171
Extremely well said (n/t) Samantha Dec 2012 #168
Well...mmmmmaybe not so extremely well said, eh? zappaman Dec 2012 #220
How many Liberals were on the Warren Commission? Octafish Dec 2012 #213
No shit! Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #67
And one of his sons had a key 'security' role for the World Trade Center Matariki Dec 2012 #47
+1. Thanks for posting. I have that article saved, also. Mc Mike Dec 2012 #68
Eyes wide shut Jim Warren Dec 2012 #60
I'm surprised no one mentioned the Mick Jagger angle... JazzQuipster Dec 2012 #72
Best. Post. Of. The. Thread. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #74
It's even more amazing that some people believe LHO acted alone,.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #78
LHO's fingerprints and palm prints were found on the Mannlicher-Carcano coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #91
1) It wasn't the first rifle found after the assassination.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #133
Yes that bullshit was said by Roger Craig zappaman Dec 2012 #172
The Mauser and M-C both have a similar appearance to non-experts, according coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #183
The man who found the gun, Deputy Eugene Boone, signed a sworn affidavit.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #189
Yes, he continuely changed his story zappaman Dec 2012 #196
You know, I had forgotten about that Samantha Dec 2012 #170
It was in the early reports.... jberryhill Dec 2012 #277
"JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters" is the best book Peace Patriot Dec 2012 #100
Yes. Also the newly released "Destiny Betrayed"... MinM Dec 2012 #120
Chapter 3: Bay of Pigs: Kennedy v Dulles MinM Dec 2012 #279
Well Said Stewland Dec 2012 #146
Thank you for this very informative post -- another reputable book I have on my list to read Samantha Dec 2012 #174
I still have doubts about LBJ, too, which Douglass does not put to rest. Peace Patriot Dec 2012 #191
I haven't read James Douglass book reteachinwi Dec 2012 #175
James Douglass' book is an excellent resource, and not just about the assassination! LongTomH Dec 2012 #186
don`t forget 8 yrs of running reagan`s presidency madrchsod Dec 2012 #106
And what of Hinckley's assassination attempt on Reagan? KansDem Dec 2012 #119
yup..... madrchsod Dec 2012 #129
That entire cartel of fascist pigs are evil... santamargarita Dec 2012 #109
SMH Mr Dixon Dec 2012 #117
Why is it robbob Dec 2012 #125
I find it interesting that some assert that conspiracies never happen. Or just not in the USA. KittyWampus Dec 2012 #131
Yep....no conspiracy involved in the assassination of Lincoln, or the attempted coup..... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #140
No one, including Bugliosi and his defenders here myself included, denies that coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #209
Yeah...I guess the House Select Committee on Assassinations got it all wrong in 1978.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #217
Good one! zappaman Dec 2012 #221
Because the Warren Commission apologists have no answer to Hunt's confession, and.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #138
There are a series of claims in the OP (which is copied from an entry on coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #208
Here's what I found on Wikipedia, which is consistent with what you found: cpwm17 Dec 2012 #210
" One needs much more than the second hand account of one person" zappaman Dec 2012 #212
Yes, blaming the innocent and excusing the guilty is all the rage for some in this thread. n/t cpwm17 Dec 2012 #215
Saint John Hunt green for victory Dec 2012 #216
EHH's deathbed confession is plausible, since it came from a 1st hand acct... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #242
Howard Hunt had such a good reputation for telling the truth jberryhill Dec 2012 #278
Showtime - Oliver Stone Series benld74 Dec 2012 #126
I'm enjoying that series, too. Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #192
Have you ever watched avebury Dec 2012 #134
k & freakin r! nt wildbilln864 Dec 2012 #156
By (temporarily) ignoring 3 nay-saying post-ers here Mc Mike Jan 2013 #293
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