Hey Unsensible Emo Prog Firebaggers: This Time I'm *Sure* I Got It Right!!!

[cui bono]

183. He did it right before Boehner tried to pass his Plan B.

It was explained in the press briefing on Dec. 18.

I'm not "some of you", I am me. Please don't lump me in with a group of people you have decided to categorize when we are discussing something with each other.

I didn't say this issue has to do with climate. I said something to the effect that your reasoning was just like a climate change denier. But since you didn't seem to know that Obama had indeed offered SS cuts in this current negotiation I'll rescind that. And again, I'm not a group, I am me.

This is a huge problem on this board. Putting people into groups rather than having a straight forward discussion. I'm sure I have fallen for it a few times as well, but I don't do it when "speaking" to someone directly. Generalizations are one thing, but when you are speaking to someone directly and you say "your group" and things of that nature you aren't discussing anything in good faith. If you aren't going to simply talk to me directly and continue to refer to me as some group you have predefined in your head then there's no point in continuing as you already have your mind made up as to what I'm going to say.

As to your Tea Party comment, no, the critics on here are criticizing policy, not Obama the man. Tea Partiers don't look at policy at all, they just hate Obama because he's on the other team. They support their team no matter what, even though they are usually voting against their own interests since most of them are no where near being in the 1%. So actually, those who just can't take any criticism of Obama, even when he is doing worse things than GWB who always got criticized, just keep supporting him no matter what he does, even when he offers SS cuts. In that way they are simply idolizing a man, putting party before country and not standing up for principles, and are doing the same thing the Tea Party does when they put their party before their own interests and what is best for the country.

I will be very happy if the SS cuts never happen. I don't want to have to be unhappy with Obama and critical of his negotiating. However, if he does something that no other Dem would ever even think of doing and when he does a whole list of things worse than GWB ever did, then yes, I'm going to criticize him. I would think all Dems would since they are supposed to be in support of civil rights, the constitution, the welfare of the working people and poor, etc... A huge problem with him even having mentioned it, more than once now, and actually putting it in a proposal given to the Republicans is that it is now fair game. It has become common place to casually talk of cutting SS during Obama's time in office and that is on him. No one made him do that. And even Reagan warned against touching SS and explained why it didn't make any sense since it has no effect on the deficit.