Judged now by loyalty to a political leader? No disagreement accepted.

[cui bono]

25. I disagree and your use of the term whiners shows you aren't listening.

It's easy to brush off unwanted criticism by being dismissive and calling all critics whiners. But in doing so you fail to look at the issues being brought up and there is a lot to be critical of when Obama's policies are looked at objectively.

The real problem is when people are dismissive of complaints, as you just were, and applaud everything the president does even when it takes the party and country further right. So now we have a Dem party and president who are center at best and we have no one representing the left any more. Consequently, the right has shifted to extreme right. Now polls show that the people of this country are left of the Dem party, so who is losing? We are. When you don't speak up there are consequences. And one of the consequences is we have the Tea Party running the show from the extreme right and no one is stnading up for the working class and the poor any more.

Also, 2000 wasn't lost, it was stolen. And who spoke out? Where was everybody? We all just let them steal the presidency. What a shame. That was not due to whiners, that was due to complacency. We are experiencing a bad spate of complacency right now too because people think Obama is liberal when he's not, they are so relieved to have him instead of GWB or Romney they are seeing what he's really doing, and a lot of it is worse than GWB. But those who point that out are dismissed as whiners. And so it continues to get worse.