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1StrongBlackMan

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140. How am I playing word games and twisting replies? ...

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:45 PM

Dec 2012

How is calling for the wealthy to pay a higher tax rate, but not others ... any different from a chained CPI that exempts the elderly, the poor, veterans and the disabled. Those "exempted" from the former (those "earning" $250K and less) means "harm" definitely will be done to those "earning" more than $250K.

The only difference I see is that YOU may be included in the former exemption; but not in the latter. And if that is the case, the objection to a chained CPI is not about the elderly, the poor, veterans or the disabled, since they are exempted; but rather, it's about you.

I don't begrudge anyone for protecting their personal interests ... I just have a slight problem when they do so by framing their objection as some faux concern for universally recognized vulnerable groups.

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In a now locked thread, critical of DUers, critical President Obama ... [View all] 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 OP

Why not Stonewall? MNBrewer Dec 2012 #1

Stonewall ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #5

The initial response was spontaneous, but it was what happened afterward that made the event importa OmahaBlueDog Dec 2012 #15

+1 bigtree Dec 2012 #24

Rosa Parks was actually part of the organization that planned the boycott lunatica Dec 2012 #47

Rosa Parks actions that day were spontaneous FreeState Dec 2012 #49

Yes. That's what I was trying to say lunatica Dec 2012 #51

They were not spontaneous, they were 20 years in the making: grantcart Dec 2012 #136

I was referring to her specific actions that day FreeState Dec 2012 #157

she was naacp secretary. they'd been looking for test cases for a bus boycott for some time HiPointDem Dec 2012 #98

I'm shocked by how man DUers in this thread do not know the Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #122

The way American history has been taught in this country lunatica Dec 2012 #130

Stonewall wasn't as spontaneous as people think either FreeState Dec 2012 #48

+1 eom arely staircase Dec 2012 #132

That's a bit of a stretch Yavin4 Dec 2012 #63

I don't think the people who participated in that "street action" were particularly "progressive," MADem Dec 2012 #83

My point exactly n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #112

I disagree FreeState Dec 2012 #115

Republicans were not racist pigs back then--MLK was a registered Republican. MADem Dec 2012 #129

So in effect your saying Progressives were not part of either party FreeState Dec 2012 #135

No, I am not saying that at all. I am saying that progressive values were not the impetus for the MADem Dec 2012 #141

100% correct -- good post bigtree Dec 2012 #2

From Bayard Rustin's 'From Montgomery To Stonewall'- just to add more from Rustin, for the OP Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #9

I wonder how Duers would feel today bigtree Dec 2012 #16

He also knew and spoke at length about the fact that activism toward legislative changes can Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #22

heh bigtree Dec 2012 #35

Social Security was incremental. It didn't initially provide universal coverage KittyWampus Dec 2012 #146

The Founding of Social security was NOT incremental at all. bvar22 Dec 2012 #150

Unbelievable. What I posted is factually correct yet you decide to try and argue. KittyWampus Dec 2012 #154

bears repeating for the deniers of the very important slights in that initial bill bigtree Dec 2012 #164

Unbelievable?... only to those who refuse to acknowlege it bvar22 Dec 2012 #175

then your opposition to the ACA health insurance act must follow the same logic bigtree Dec 2012 #176

If YOU can point out the Foundation Cornerstone of the ACA... bvar22 Dec 2012 #178

exactly bigtree Dec 2012 #179

You know, this is one thing that reminds me of the glacial progress of change tavalon Dec 2012 #165

I remember a president sending federal troops to integrate schools in the South Fumesucker Dec 2012 #3

You've seen it ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #6

Secessionists are trolls Fumesucker Dec 2012 #8

I'd think that would be because there isn't a complete breakdown in the justice system bigtree Dec 2012 #7

I was just giving an example of bold presidential action Fumesucker Dec 2012 #10

well, yeah bigtree Dec 2012 #12

True, the federal government is much more powerful now than it was then n/t Fumesucker Dec 2012 #14

So are we. i.e. the Internet. randome Dec 2012 #42

You're right, it would be much easier today to organize to fight forced integration Fumesucker Dec 2012 #52

that's more true than you pretend bigtree Dec 2012 #55

I grew up then and there, my perspective is a little different Fumesucker Dec 2012 #62

well, we can't pretend that every initiative and action by the federal government was beneficial bigtree Dec 2012 #67

No need to get so defensive, everything is fine Fumesucker Dec 2012 #75

I always have to remind myself bigtree Dec 2012 #76

I love you too Fumesucker Dec 2012 #90

To a certain extent, yes. Light is the most effective disinfectant we have. randome Dec 2012 #57

I see the disinfectant working the other way, I grew up in that time and place Fumesucker Dec 2012 #61

+1 HiPointDem Dec 2012 #100

What is the point you are trying to make about Stonewall? Do you know what happened that night? Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #4

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #26

What do you mean 'this was what I understood'? Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #32

I have done ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #40

You are typing incomprehensible responses. Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #50

The point is well made Rex Dec 2012 #180

wow, dave van ronk was arrested there. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #104

Media acclimates us to think that only immediate, dramatic change is possible. randome Dec 2012 #11

I have posted a few links about Stonewall which I do not expect you to have courage to read Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #13

I read both articles linked ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #31

"they didn't do anything but organize others' vs 'it was not planned as the other actions were'. Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #36

The involvement of ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #41

Well you are not being clear at all. Your OP did not even provide a link for context to the thread Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #58

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #64

You are the one who made Stonewall rhetorical football of your screed here today. Not me. Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #156

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #160

A very iintelligent post. Thank you. ywcachieve Dec 2012 #17

I don't know why your thread was blocked. Really crazy. However... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #18

It wasn't my thread ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #34

no Skittles Dec 2012 #89

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #95

Ah ok. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #96

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #19

Your point would have a bit more impact if you could spell Progressive Fumesucker Dec 2012 #21

I know how to spell progressive, and jackass, too. ywcachieve Dec 2012 #25

Don't forget teabagger Fumesucker Dec 2012 #27

Your edit history begs to differ. Javaman Dec 2012 #44

they do not have the same mentality samsingh Dec 2012 #53

It's not so much ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #68

when do the progressives demonstrate rank hyprocrasy samsingh Dec 2012 #72

I don't know if I wish to engage this discussion; but .. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #79

okay let's compromise and move on samsingh Dec 2012 #81

Alright. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #82

Of course not, you'd rather flame all the Progressives that make up the majority of the board MessiahRp Dec 2012 #134

Should I stop reading at the first, second or third inaccuracy? ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #145

Thank you! Puzzledtraveller Dec 2012 #169

I consider ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #173

Peddle that malarkey about progressives elsewhere. n/t GoneOffShore Dec 2012 #54

sounds like a bunch of excuses hfojvt Dec 2012 #20

Amen! Thank you! Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #23

Hear! Hear! meegbear Dec 2012 #28

People protested injustice back then b/c they had unbiased reporting that told them about it! Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #29

meh, this probably should be posted in meta quinnox Dec 2012 #30

For what reason? janx Dec 2012 #38

+1 treestar Dec 2012 #33

Beautifully stated. n/t janx Dec 2012 #37

How long did it take to institute Social Security & Medicare? leftstreet Dec 2012 #39

FDR was bold and progressive, but he left a lot of people out in the cold on Social Security bigtree Dec 2012 #46

Thanks for your post. I think some tend to over romanticize the fights of the past. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #60

Exactly ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #66

oh there's been incremental change alright in the other direction liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #101

Much to your chagrin, I'm sure, we're not Europe. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #106

I'm not talking about Europe liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #107

!!! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #113

Approximately ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #56

Obama, is that you? leftstreet Dec 2012 #65

You are quite right ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #70

Everything you wrote was on the money and substantiated pretty well. Why was the origional locked? marble falls Dec 2012 #43

Incremental steps lead to the big splashy finale lunatica Dec 2012 #45

Yeak, like starting with a chained CPI leftstreet Dec 2012 #69

Give it a rest ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #71

"Exempts the elderly, the poor, the disabled, and veterans" brentspeak Dec 2012 #85

LOL leftstreet Dec 2012 #91

I don't know how ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #126

Laugh all you wish; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #94

We forget it because it leaves the rest of us out. It is not a valid argument for chained cpi. madfloridian Dec 2012 #102

Do you not agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #108

I agree with nothing you said. madfloridian Dec 2012 #116

So you don't "agree" ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #119

Exempting a few means that harm definitely will be done to others. madfloridian Dec 2012 #128

How am I playing word games and twisting replies? ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #140

Congrats on winning Dumb Post of the Week n/t brentspeak Dec 2012 #133

Thank you ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #143

The way I read that .... Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #153

yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #158

No, Carney does NOT say Obama included exemptions in his proposal. He says he "WOULD" include them.. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #170

Come on ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #174

What an optimist! lunatica Dec 2012 #73

what's wrong with bold, visionary progressives? noiretextatique Dec 2012 #59

Not a thing ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #78

i disagree, actually noiretextatique Dec 2012 #92

So ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #97

Excellent post malaise Dec 2012 #74

Are you, were you, trying to say LWolf Dec 2012 #77

I'm pointing out the unfortunate political reality ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #80

We sure as hell can LWolf Dec 2012 #84

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #93

Sorry. LWolf Dec 2012 #99

thank you! liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #114

You are welcome. LWolf Dec 2012 #127

Since that's your reply to my reply to the original post that you're quoting there, Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #86

you know it, Blue_in_AK Skittles Dec 2012 #88

And I join with you. Lockstep is unhealthy for any party. madfloridian Dec 2012 #103

Agreed ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #111

But at a terrible cost. madfloridian Dec 2012 #117

exactly. liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #120

Only if you disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #121

I have no problem with ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #105

The reality is that President Obama is a centrist, Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #118

Agreed ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #124

As for moving the ball in the right direction, Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #125

I stand with you liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #109

DEMOCRACY Skittles Dec 2012 #87

thanks, man farminator3000 Dec 2012 #110

One of the greatest threads of all year!!!! K&R, bookmarked! Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #123

On Election Day You Criticized Me For Being White (In An Offensive Way) JimGinPA Dec 2012 #131

He wasn't criticizing you Jim he was making a humorous comment on the poll worker grantcart Dec 2012 #137

Are you kidding me????? 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #138

If you choose to insult one's intelligence... JimGinPA Dec 2012 #144

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #147

I've Known Grantcart For Years... JimGinPA Dec 2012 #152

With all due respect ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #155

I found this recently on a CNN blog about Rosa Parks history grantcart Dec 2012 #139

Thanks ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #148

The only steps we have been taking since the 1980's mmonk Dec 2012 #142

Okay, I understand ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #149

Not that one due to its deliberate inaccuracies. mmonk Dec 2012 #167

And until ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #172

I've learned that every kind of progress in politics usually babylonsister Dec 2012 #151

It seems like there is not a clear division between "holding feet to the fire" and... Taverner Dec 2012 #159

I agree with a lot of what you wrote; but, would point out ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #161

Makes sense to me... Taverner Dec 2012 #162

An executive order without funding to effectuate it is ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #163

Perfect thread. Your knowledge and sound grasp of the facts is exactly what I've come to expect Number23 Dec 2012 #166

Great post, and in some of your responses you speak well what Puzzledtraveller Dec 2012 #168

My view of what has been pivotal in the civil rights movements... MrMickeysMom Dec 2012 #171

Correct, change comes from the people, the government does not willingly reform itself. bemildred Dec 2012 #177

Seneca Falls and Selma and Stonewall Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #181

So did I; but maybe ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #182