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In reply to the discussion: Democrats with death wishes or trolls? [View all]stupidicus
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will they never end?
INDEPENDENTS It's swing-voting independents who, as usual, made the difference today. Independents favored Republicans for House by a thumping 15 points, 55-40 percent, in the national exit poll. Compare that to Obama's 8-point win among independents in 2008.
If it holds in updates, it'll be the Republicans' biggest win among independents in exit polls dating to 1982 by a single point. The GOP won independents by 14 points in 1994, the last time they took control of the House. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vote-2010-elections-results-midterm-exit-poll-analysis/story?id=12003775 ANd the voter turnout was higher than in 2006 http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781453.html
If you wanna blame that on something, try the media. http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brunitedstatescanadara/671.php
or blame it on the dems themselves
What's the problem?http://www.thenation.com/blog/156470/young-voter-turnout-fell-60-2008-2010-dems-wont-win-2012-if-trend-continues#
1. Getting young voters to the polls is about more than the candidate. Some of the youngest and most tech-savvy Democratic contenders in 2010 lost. And that's a fact that President Obama ought to note as he prepares for a difficult 2012 reelection campaign. While Obama was on the winning side of the enthusiasm gap in 2008, he may not be there in 2010.
2. Democrats have not done enough for young people. While there have been some important initiatives with regard to student loans, and while the federal stimulus bill did a lot to keep colleges open and affordable, there was never a sense that 18-to-29-year-olds were a centralor even prominentconcern of the Obama administration or the aging Democratic leadership in the House and Senate.
3. Even where Democrats did deliveras on the student loan frontthey did a lousy job of communicating about their accomplishments. Imagine Democrats failing to remind seniors of their work to protect Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid and you get the picture. Democrats also failed to develop a youth agenda that would have made a case to young people for getting to the polls and giving Obama's party the majorities it needed to advance meaningful legislation.
4. There are still problems with access to the polls for young people, especially those living in campus settings where local officials are frequently accused of erecting barriers to young voters. Champaign County's Shelden, a Republican, was accused of setting up an early-voting center in an area that was hard for students to reach. That was a common complaint around the country, and it is easier to blame physical and technical factors. But there is scant evidence that Democrats made themselves champions of youth voting. And if the Democrats won't fight for the right of young people to vote, they should not expect much in the way of 18-to-29-year-old turnout.
but don't blame it on a few isolated posters and people you happen to stumble across.
ANd if all you have as evidence for this "dems are being their own worst enemy" crap, is a few posters here on DU and isolated comments you've seen in the media, well, you lose. The point of the criticisms is to have them heard and action taken on them. All this conflating being done with honest and concerned criticizers with a distinct minority that may or may not have ignoble motives, is an insult to those of us who have noble ones, and more representative of your deficits of various kinds than anything else.
ANd anybody with the political acumen greater than that of a slug could likely figure out that without some moderation occurring the in rank ranks of rightwingnut pols and pundits, the chances of them taking all the marbles are nil.
I do however find all this fearmongering done in an effort to silence criticisms quite amusing.