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intheflow

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4. Please do not call Native American spiritual leaders "shamen."
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 12:54 PM
13 hrs ago
Shamen use "magic" and are under the influence of some mind-altering substance when they work. Native Americans don't believe that their spiritual practices involve magic (certainly not more so than transubstantiation in the Catholic Church), and not all (or even most) use mind-altering substances to spiritually lead people, or only use them in specific circumstances and rituals. They prefer to be called by their native language title, which varies across cultures.

If you hear or read something generic about indigenous tribes, customs, and culture (or "wisdom" ), it is most likely bullshit made up by white people. Case in point: the supposed Native American folktale about two wolves fighting has been attributed to "Eskimos", Cherokees, or just "Native American Grandfatther, however, it's a Christian parable that was popularized by Billy Graham in his book The Holy Spirit: Activating God's Power in Your Life (1978). The big tell about it's Christian basis (as opposed to any legit Native American belief) is that the wolves are often described as white and black, with white being good and black being bad. That is a western flex; no native American tribe believed that before colonization.

You may be thinking of the supposed Native American quote, "When the last tree has been cut down, the last fish caught, the last river poisoned, only then will we realize that one cannot eat money." It has been traced back to comments made by an Abenaki man from Canada as quoted in a 1972 book, “Who is the Chairman of This Meeting?” However, I've also found it attributed to Cherokee and Osage tribes. Where ever it came from, it in no way dates back to the 1700s.

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Cute and true, but a native shamsn in 1700s , no. Srkdqltr 15 hrs ago #1
the 'oral histories' of Facebook ... stopdiggin 14 hrs ago #2
Of course. Srkdqltr 14 hrs ago #3
What? Incredulity? Igel 7 hrs ago #5
Please do not call Native American spiritual leaders "shamen." intheflow 13 hrs ago #4
Shamans. Igel 7 hrs ago #6
Cool story, bro. tritsofme 7 hrs ago #7
In the 1700s edhopper 5 hrs ago #8
I will take 'Things That Didn't Happen' for $500, Alex. Celerity 5 min ago #9
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