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Taverner

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Sat Dec 29, 2012, 12:16 AM Dec 2012

Oliver Stone to RT: ‘US has become an Orwellian state’ [View all]

http://rt.com/news/oliver-stone-us-orwellian-022/

Americans are living in an Orwellian state argue Academy Award-winning director Oliver Stone and historian Peter Kuznick, as they sit down with RT to discuss US foreign policy and the Obama administration’s disregard for the rule of law.

­Both argue that Obama is a wolf in sheep’s clothing and that people have forgiven him a lot because of the “nightmare of the Bush presidency that preceded him.”

“He has taken all the Bush changes he basically put them into the establishment, he has codified them,” Stone told RT. “It is an Orwellian state. It might not be oppressive on the surface, but there is no place to hide. Some part of you is going to end up in the database somewhere.”

According to Kuznick, American citizens live in a fish tank where their government intercepts more than 1.7 billion messages a day. “That is email, telephone calls, other forms of communication.”

RT’s Abby Martin in the program Breaking the Set discusses the Showtime film series and book titled The Untold History of the United States co-authored by Oliver Stone and Peter Kuznick.


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OS: Primitive of course. There has been a blind worship of the military and patriotism. I strongly believe in the strong military, but to defend our country, not to invade other countries and to conquer the world. I think there is a huge difference that has been forgotten: morality. Once you take the laws away, as Einstein once said famously, the country does not obey its laws, the laws would be disrespected. So it seems that the fundamental morality has been lost on us somewhere on the way recently and now it is what is effective. Can we kill Bin Laden without having to bring him to trial, can we just get it done? And that ‘get it down’ mentality justifies the ends and that is where countries go wrong, and people go wrong. All of our lives are moral equations. Does the end justify the means? No, it never did.
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I don't care what anybody says. Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #1
I agreed before I read the sheeps clothing part flamingdem Dec 2012 #3
It is time that progressives on the left talked to crazies on the right AverageMe Dec 2012 #7
Einstein? AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #2
Does Bastiat explain why he considers the loss of moral sense as bad as loss of respect for the law? JVS Dec 2012 #4
Depends. I tend to agree with you, insofar as allowing torture or indefinite detention without legal AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #5
^ green for victory Dec 2012 #6
Great post! dreamnightwind Dec 2012 #9
+100 Taverner Dec 2012 #12
An excellent comment Ian62 Dec 2012 #13
The Patriot Act was wrong... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #8
Is Oliver Stone a DU troll too? A closet Republican sowing dissent? Bonobo Dec 2012 #10
That depends. It depends on whether your ethics are situational or not. Iow sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #11
Oliver Stone is correct Ian62 Dec 2012 #14
all the same DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #15
I lost all respect for Oliver Stone after his completely whacked out CT movie RomneyLies Dec 2012 #16
I don't think the movie JFK was ever intended to be a documentary. Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #17
The problem is, Stone believes most of the nonsense presented in the film. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #18
Even the greats of film-making can be assholes. Archae Dec 2012 #19
Have you seen his new documentary Taverner Dec 2012 #20
I haven't seen it, now will I see it. Archae Dec 2012 #21
I like it, Taverner, Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #22
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