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Showing Original Post only (View all)Oliver Stone to RT: ‘US has become an Orwellian state’ [View all]
http://rt.com/news/oliver-stone-us-orwellian-022/Americans are living in an Orwellian state argue Academy Award-winning director Oliver Stone and historian Peter Kuznick, as they sit down with RT to discuss US foreign policy and the Obama administrations disregard for the rule of law.
Both argue that Obama is a wolf in sheeps clothing and that people have forgiven him a lot because of the nightmare of the Bush presidency that preceded him.
He has taken all the Bush changes he basically put them into the establishment, he has codified them, Stone told RT. It is an Orwellian state. It might not be oppressive on the surface, but there is no place to hide. Some part of you is going to end up in the database somewhere.
According to Kuznick, American citizens live in a fish tank where their government intercepts more than 1.7 billion messages a day. That is email, telephone calls, other forms of communication.
RTs Abby Martin in the program Breaking the Set discusses the Showtime film series and book titled The Untold History of the United States co-authored by Oliver Stone and Peter Kuznick.
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OS: Primitive of course. There has been a blind worship of the military and patriotism. I strongly believe in the strong military, but to defend our country, not to invade other countries and to conquer the world. I think there is a huge difference that has been forgotten: morality. Once you take the laws away, as Einstein once said famously, the country does not obey its laws, the laws would be disrespected. So it seems that the fundamental morality has been lost on us somewhere on the way recently and now it is what is effective. Can we kill Bin Laden without having to bring him to trial, can we just get it done? And that get it down mentality justifies the ends and that is where countries go wrong, and people go wrong. All of our lives are moral equations. Does the end justify the means? No, it never did.
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Does Bastiat explain why he considers the loss of moral sense as bad as loss of respect for the law?
JVS
Dec 2012
#4
Depends. I tend to agree with you, insofar as allowing torture or indefinite detention without legal
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2012
#5
I lost all respect for Oliver Stone after his completely whacked out CT movie
RomneyLies
Dec 2012
#16