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In reply to the discussion: GHW Bush, JFK's assassination, the CIA and drugs [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)211. It is most troubling, seeing the way history has unfolded since that terrible day.
I have tried my best to give Poppy the benefit of the doubt, but the track record shows him always on the side JFK opposed...Nuclear war is survivable, Vietnam is vital to America, New Deal is socialism, Wall Street over Main Street, money trumps peace, ...
Getting to the evidence, George Herbert Walker Bush told the FBI he was in Dallas that day:
Here's a transcript of the text:
TO: SAC, HOUSTON DATE: 11-22-63
FROM: SA GRAHAM W. KITCHEL
SUBJECT: UNKNOWN SUBJECT;
ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT
JOHN F. KENNEDY
At 1:45 p.m. Mr. GEORGE H. W. BUSH, President of the Zapata Off-Shore Drilling Company, Houston, Texas, residence 5525 Briar, Houston, telephonically furnished the following information to writer by long distance telephone call from Tyler, Texas.
BUSH stated that he wanted to be kept confidential but wanted to furnish hearsay that he recalled hearing in recent weeks, the day and source unknown. He stated that one JAMES PARROTT has been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston.
BUSH stated that PARROTT is possibly a student at the University of Houston and is active in political matters in this area. He stated that he felt Mrs. FAWLEY, telephone number SU 2-5239, or ARLINE SMITH, telephone number JA 9-9194 of the Harris County Republican Party Headquarters would be able to furnish additional information regarding the identity of PARROTT.
BUSH stated that he was proceeding to Dallas, Texas, would remain in the Sheraton-Dallas Hotel and return to his residence on 11-23-63. His office telephone number is CA 2-0395.
Which, of course, makes me wonder about this memo, from a week later:
Here's a transcript of the above:
Date: November 29, 1963
To: Director
Bureau of Intelligence and Research
Department of State
From: John Edgar Hoover, Director
Subject: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
NOVEMBER 22, 1963
Our Miami, Florida, Office on November 23, 1963, advised that the Office of Coordinator of Cuban Affairs in Miami advised that the Department of State feels some misguided anti-Castro group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in U. S. policy, which is not true.
Our sources and informants familiar with Cuban matters in the Miami area advise that the general feeling in the anti-Castro Cuban community is one of stunned disbelief and, even among those who did not entirely agree with the President's policy concerning Cuba, the feeling is that the President's death represents a great loss not only to the U. S. but to all of Latin America. These sources know of no plans for unauthorized action against Cuba.
An informant who has furnished reliable information in the past and who is close to a small pro-Castro group in Miami has advised that these individuals are afraid that the assassination of the President may result in strong repressive measures being taken against them and, although pro-Castro in their feelings, regret the assassination.
The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on November 23, 1963, by Mr. W. T. Forsyth of this Bureau.
# # #
Another piece of evidence: George de Mohrenschildt and Poppy were acquainted.
House Select Committee on Assassinations investigator Gaeton Fonzi went to interview de Mohrenschildt and found he had just committed suicide by shotgun blast to the mouth. So, Fonzi never got a chance to ask the Baron about his relationship with Oswald. What else he couldn't ask about was his relationship to George Herbert Walker Bush, whose name, address, work and home phones, birthday and nicknames were in de Mohrenschildt's personal address book. As were Oswald's.
Kennedy: The George Bush Connection
by Mark Turner
EXCERPT...
Another Bush connection involved George de Mohrenschildt, a rich Russian oil man who lived in Texas when Lee Harvey Oswald settled there after his trip to the Soviet Union. De Mohrenschildt was a long-time CIA agent and quite possibly served as a CIA control officer for Oswald. The Warren Commission described him and his wife as being the two people friendliest to Oswald at the time of the assassination. De Mohrenschildt's son-in-law told the Warren Commission that if any- one had helped with the assassination it was most likely de Mohren- schildt. De Mohrenschildt was also the man who moved Oswald to Dallas.
Shortly before the House Select Committee on Assassinations started meeting in the late 1970's a new doctor appeared in de Mohrenschildt's town. De Mohrenschildt started seeing him and quickly became mentally unstable. His wife convinced him to stop seeing the doctor. The doctor then moved away and left a false forwarding address. The very day the Committee tried to contact de Mohrenschildt about testifying, he was found dead of a gun shot wound. His personal address book was found and it contained the entry "Bush, George H. W. (Poppy) 1412 W. Ohio also Zapata Petroleum Midland." Bush's full name is George Herbert Walker Bush which matches the initials given and his earlier oil company was named Zapata Petroleum Corp. Why was his name in de Mohrenschildt's book? Is "Poppy" his CIA code name?
It is known that in the early 1960's de Mohrenschildt made frequent trips to Houston, which was the location of Bush's home. He told friends he was visiting the Brown brothers, who were close friends and financial supporters of Lyndon Johnson. CIA documents reveal that during the planning phase of Operation Zapata, de Mohrenschildt made frequent trips to Mexico and Panama and gave reports to the CIA. His son-in-law told the Warren Commission that he believed de Mohren- schildt was spying for the planned Cuban invasion.
A QUESTION OF CHARACTER
When Bush was picked to be director of the CIA in 1976, he testified to Congress that he had never worked for the CIA before. Of course, it did not make much sense to appoint a director who had no such back- ground but Congress approved him anyway. Now it would seem that Bush committed perjury in his congressional testimony.
George Bush was apparently high enough in the CIA to help plan the Bay of Pigs invasion. It would probably be safe to assume that he even named the operation and its two ships. Considering the hatred that the CIA felt toward Kennedy over their failed mission and Bush's involvement in that same mission, it would be quite interesting to know what Bush's feelings toward John F. Kennedy really were and what his full role in the assassination investigation was.
CONTINUED...
http://www.sumeria.net/politics/cia-bush.html
BTW: While I have my suspicions, I cannot say (nor do I want to believe) that George Herbert Walker Bush was or was not involved in the conspiracy to kill President Kennedy. Many of the facts, like the witnesses, have been buried in this case.
, thus my interest in getting GHWB's deposition.
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But, but life is so much easier w/o complications. Denial is sooo nice sometimes. nm
rhett o rick
Dec 2012
#4
Back in early 1970's, published in, of all places, Computer World, was a very detailed discussion
kelliekat44
Dec 2012
#228
Vincent Bugliosi, in "Reclaiming History," examines this issue (of
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#262
"RH" should win a Pulitzer, imho, not that most Americans will ever bother
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#267
Speaking of entertaining, have you read the novel 'The Tears of Autumn' by
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#271
And here's a link to a (not complete) list of witnesses/connected individuals who died,
Mc Mike
Jan 2013
#294
@johnsimkin: Harold Feldman published an important article on the JFK assassination in The Nation...
MinM
Dec 2012
#258
I honestly don't think he believed it after Bobby Kennedy made it clear that he knew what happened..
MrMickeysMom
Dec 2012
#34
And you obviously believe Arlen Specter's bogus "Single Bullet Theory". Enough said. nt.
OldDem2012
Dec 2012
#83
dballance in post #1 made a particular claim concerning the direction of the shot
cpwm17
Dec 2012
#199
You're correct, but don't expect the JFK CTists to bother viewing the evidence.
stopbush
Dec 2012
#158
Well perhaps if the government allowed all the evidence to be public it could be reviewed.
dballance
Dec 2012
#194
CIA assigned 1963 Oswald minder George Joannides the 1977 job of liaison with HSCA.
Octafish
Dec 2012
#206
I don't believe LHO acted alone, either. And I also believe the CIA was involved...
Cooley Hurd
Dec 2012
#207
It is most troubling, seeing the way history has unfolded since that terrible day.
Octafish
Dec 2012
#211
A friend of mine, who was in the Korean War, said that the "jerk backwards" that JFK did...
Cooley Hurd
Dec 2012
#200
If fact, had your friend been able to do a frame-by-frame film analysis, such
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#204
I don't believe Oswald acted alone. Certainly, the congressional Commission on Assassinations didn't
Cooley Hurd
Dec 2012
#70
The Business Coup has been known for decades (and is irrelevant in this discussion)...
Cooley Hurd
Dec 2012
#136
Those kinds of accusations are meaningless on a handled internet forum. You could be CIA or
stevenleser
Dec 2012
#264
Have you read Vincent Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History" yet? If not, I strongly
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#80
I'm on the final chapter ("Conclusion of No Conspiracy") now and hope to
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#148
The thought has occurred to me over the years: What if he disclosed everything,
NBachers
Dec 2012
#2
I think that is why they are insisting on so much "privacy" don't want anyone catching a stray word.
rwsanders
Dec 2012
#160
how about the October Surprise. Plus the strategy of minority tools like Clarence THOMAS
UTUSN
Dec 2012
#79
Wasn't he also in the plot to overthrow FDR, the one they tried to recruit Mj. Gen Smedley Butler?
rwsanders
Dec 2012
#161
Read "Blood, Money and Power, how LBJ killed JFK" by Barr McClellan for additional information
Samantha
Dec 2012
#7
Those who think LBJ had a role in the assassination of JFK have a very high hurdle to
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#96
You really need to read Vincent Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History". Bugliosi
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#149
While I would never have described myself previously as a "CTer," I suppose I
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#155
Thank you for posting. As a brother who has a (younger) brother who
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#268
Your syntax is so garbled that I'm having trouble discerning exactly what's got
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#255
I don't think all members of the Warren Commission were 'enemies of Kennedy'. Perhaps
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#182
And I highly recommend Blood, Money & Power simply for the evidence the author produced
Samantha
Dec 2012
#164
When facts are lacking, everything is a CT. Your theory is nothing more than
sabrina 1
Dec 2012
#224
Um, perhaps you missed the fact that both WTC1 and WTC2 collapsed into themselves?
dballance
Dec 2012
#121
You still have not explained why common building fires might have brought down WTC7
dballance
Dec 2012
#132
Google it. John Kerry was recorded stating that it was brought down in a 'controlled
sabrina 1
Dec 2012
#99
C'mon! It's PERFECTLY SAFE to go into a tilting building-on-fire with explosives!
Cooley Hurd
Dec 2012
#241
Perhaps your reading comprehension skills prevented you from properly following the thread:
Cooley Hurd
Dec 2012
#237
Are you trying to discredit this post by referencing a completely unrelated event
Ian62
Dec 2012
#87
Yes, and he cleverly shaved small portions of his head so his hairline would appear similar -- but
MADem
Dec 2012
#202
Well, Congress voted to go to war with Iraq over evidence inferior to this
MannyGoldstein
Dec 2012
#75
LHO was also indisputably a committed Marxist who admired Castro and one who took serious
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#86
How much do you know about the meeting that took place the night before JFK's murder....
OldDem2012
Dec 2012
#18
John McAdams is a professional debunker who has made a career of espousing the lone-nut line.
Octafish
Dec 2012
#110
You asked me that last time you attempted to divert discussion of the JFK assassination.
Octafish
Dec 2012
#265
Questions? Your puerile demands? Your straw men? Why don't you ever criticize the BFEE, zappamaman?
Octafish
Dec 2012
#274
NO - the evidence is that only three of the bullets could have come from Oswald
Taverner
Dec 2012
#284
Um, Vincent Bugliosi also makes an incredibly substantive case that LHO
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#89
Why did you disagree? And on what grounds specifically? I'm just starting
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#181
Thanks for that link. I would hardly conclude from it, though, that Bugliosi's book
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#179
Thanks again for the additional links. I'm somewhat new to the back alleys and
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#205
Nixon also claimed that he wasn't in Dallas that day until an investigative reporter....
OldDem2012
Dec 2012
#53
LHO's fingerprints and palm prints were found on the Mannlicher-Carcano
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#91
The Mauser and M-C both have a similar appearance to non-experts, according
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#183
The man who found the gun, Deputy Eugene Boone, signed a sworn affidavit....
OldDem2012
Dec 2012
#189
"JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters" is the best book
Peace Patriot
Dec 2012
#100
Thank you for this very informative post -- another reputable book I have on my list to read
Samantha
Dec 2012
#174
I still have doubts about LBJ, too, which Douglass does not put to rest.
Peace Patriot
Dec 2012
#191
James Douglass' book is an excellent resource, and not just about the assassination!
LongTomH
Dec 2012
#186
I find it interesting that some assert that conspiracies never happen. Or just not in the USA.
KittyWampus
Dec 2012
#131
Yep....no conspiracy involved in the assassination of Lincoln, or the attempted coup.....
OldDem2012
Dec 2012
#140
No one, including Bugliosi and his defenders here myself included, denies that
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#209
Yeah...I guess the House Select Committee on Assassinations got it all wrong in 1978....
OldDem2012
Dec 2012
#217
Because the Warren Commission apologists have no answer to Hunt's confession, and....
OldDem2012
Dec 2012
#138
There are a series of claims in the OP (which is copied from an entry on
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#208
Yes, blaming the innocent and excusing the guilty is all the rage for some in this thread. n/t
cpwm17
Dec 2012
#215
EHH's deathbed confession is plausible, since it came from a 1st hand acct...
Cooley Hurd
Dec 2012
#242