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krispos42

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71. Well, they are usually done in cities...

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 03:33 PM

Dec 2012

... where sporting guns and recreational shooting is rarer. Particularly in poor neighborhoods with lots of crime. The preferred tool of the career criminal is a disposable handgun, remember.

And the cash has not generally been that high so people are not inclined to travel long distances to turn in old guns.

But I would certainly travel to NYC to trade in the 3 guns I mentioned for $ 1, 500. Especially when they cost me $320 to buy. One I would simply re-purchase, and the other 2 would be upgrades. I would actually wind up with more firepower!

Understand that I am not against the guy buying programs, as they sure an opportunity to clean things out. I disagree with destroying the guns, because that obviously is far less efficient than simply reselling them to new, legal owners.

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A $100 billion, one-time program aimed at buying back 200 million firearms at $500 a pop. [View all] Robb Dec 2012 OP

$500 per gun would not be an offer which could not be refused 1-Old-Man Dec 2012 #1

Junk still fires. Robb Dec 2012 #3

I would still keep my Dad's service .45. 11 Bravo Dec 2012 #169

I would, too. Robb Dec 2012 #174

Agreed, (and I think we're pretty much on the same page with regard to gun control). 11 Bravo Dec 2012 #177

It wouldn't surprise me. Robb Dec 2012 #179

Not true AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #54

The LA program was a failure. former9thward Dec 2012 #58

It was a resounding success AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #60

If you want to call a feel good PR stunts a "resounding success", fine. former9thward Dec 2012 #68

What standards do you use? The rate of shooting crimes in LA is dropping, while Chicago, at half Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #85

Just so we are on the same page: former9thward Dec 2012 #88

It was a one time cash infusion into the economy that allowed people dump Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #79

They were training launchers... Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #82

the conservatives here even post against gun buybacks CreekDog Dec 2012 #95

If you are going to slander a poster do it as a reply to the OP. former9thward Dec 2012 #103

you want to take positions against gun buybacks and against liberal ideas, take the heat for them CreekDog Dec 2012 #105

I was trying to help you. former9thward Dec 2012 #112

Yep. Any junk Garand that can still push a bullet will fetch $500 Xithras Dec 2012 #118

Good idea. But . . . . . Hoyt Dec 2012 #2

I think $300B might actually make a slight difference. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #80

Maybe. Although I sure hate to reward people for their bad habits and macabre interests. Hoyt Dec 2012 #89

Yeah, because selling a $1200.00 gun for $500.00 is such a *GREAT* return on investment.... Ghost in the Machine Dec 2012 #159

Limits on gun ownership already exist Robb Dec 2012 #160

There are cheap weapons out there. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #162

So what does that have to do with this idea? Robb Dec 2012 #164

Some OPs have stated that these buybacks would clear most guns from the nation. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #165

Ok, so I can go buy several High-Point 9mm's, that run about $109.99 brand new, then sell them for Ghost in the Machine Dec 2012 #175

You didn't read much of this thread, did you? Robb Dec 2012 #176

Should have thought of that when you bought them. You lose your "investment" in guns -- tough. Hoyt Dec 2012 #163

He wouldn't lose the investment. 5th amendment. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #167

If transfer/use/perception/ammo of/for damn things are banned/restricted, market value will plunge. Hoyt Dec 2012 #170

And that would go to the courts since the law damaged the value. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #171

Government action damages the stock market, housing values, etc. Good luck with your and NRA's suit Hoyt Dec 2012 #172

LOL. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #173

All I had to think about was my Constitutional Right...... Ghost in the Machine Dec 2012 #178

I don't alert on folks, Ghost. How much do you have invested in guns? Hoyt Dec 2012 #180

hell yeah..go for it backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #4

Haha JohnnyBoots Dec 2012 #32

There ya go AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #40

start taxing guns to reflect their true cost on society samsingh Dec 2012 #5

should we also backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #8

We already do. Alcohol & tobacco is taxed heavily, and cars require insurance. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #12

do we tax cars backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #20

We tax the hell out of fuel. Robb Dec 2012 #23

not really backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #24

Does ad valorem tax count? ecstatic Dec 2012 #26

Cars aren't used as mass murder weapons AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #41

Let's see. You pay for a driver's license. You pay to register your car. Yavin4 Dec 2012 #69

we pay tax on gasoline, we have to buy insurance on cars samsingh Dec 2012 #87

with the condition warrior1 Dec 2012 #6

how are you going to enforce that? backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #11

Same way you can't buy booze with SNAP. Robb Dec 2012 #14

you're joking..right? backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #19

And yet less than $1 in every $100 in SNAP is spent fraudulently. Robb Dec 2012 #22

nope backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #25

Looks like every gun owner on this thread is ready to break the law. Robb Dec 2012 #35

Yep! bongbong Dec 2012 #134

*cough* *cough* SQUEE Dec 2012 #135

Very stiff penalties for doing so AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #43

I agree backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #62

Gun buy backs have nothing to do with traffic violations AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #63

and 10k fines for owning guns will never happen backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #67

But AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #128

If I can use the prepaid cards... krispos42 Dec 2012 #28

If guns are that important to you AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #45

Hmmm, I suppose that we could cut Social Security to buy back guns to provide Social Security HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #7

It would take a lot of handguns, rifles, and shotguns off the streets. bluedigger Dec 2012 #9

$500 a gun would remove alot of guns. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #10

What if we pass a law making numerous guns illegal to possess 1st? THEN $500 a piece jmg257 Dec 2012 #13

not worth it for me to sell any of mine for only that much loli phabay Dec 2012 #15

Then you wouldn't have to. Robb Dec 2012 #16

it wouldn't reduce shit backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #27

Nobody would sell you junk guns to turn in AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #47

Agree energumen Dec 2012 #17

I would use the card to buy a money order which I would then deposit Renew Deal Dec 2012 #18

It's illegal to use food stamps to buy electronics. Robb Dec 2012 #21

But what's to stop them Revanchist Dec 2012 #29

A crappy economy? Robb Dec 2012 #37

Massive fines if you get caught AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #49

agreed backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #64

More false equivenancy AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #66

+1. Robb Dec 2012 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Dec 2012 #151

Interesting idea, but you could put a time limit in there Robb Dec 2012 #155

I understand where you're coming from, but I think this is a different situation. EOTE Dec 2012 #59

I'd sell all of my Mosin-Nagant rifles for $500 each slackmaster Dec 2012 #30

Exactly! I got in on the 2008 Mosin Nagant M44 blowout (5 M44's shipped for $200), cleaned them, kelly1mm Dec 2012 #34

Any number of structures could make that plan illegal. Robb Dec 2012 #39

Arbitrage is not fraud. There were no exceptions in the OP for guns valued at less than $500 kelly1mm Dec 2012 #53

Excellent idea. aikoaiko Dec 2012 #168

What about my "hi-cap" magazines and ammo? -..__... Dec 2012 #31

This program would net a shitload of .22 rifles... krispos42 Dec 2012 #33

Handguns always outnumber rifles in buyback programs. Robb Dec 2012 #36

It's probably because handguns are used far more often in crimes. There are many "dirty" handguns... slackmaster Dec 2012 #42

Well, they are usually done in cities... krispos42 Dec 2012 #71

The dog whistle is beneath you, krispos. Robb Dec 2012 #74

Reply: krispos42 Dec 2012 #99

Show me a gun buyback program being done in a small, rural town. krispos42 Dec 2012 #98

Small rural towns can barely keep their streets sprayed with mag chloride. Robb Dec 2012 #110

Hmmmm.... krispos42 Dec 2012 #120

Gun buyback programs work best in densely populated areas in which you have crime in the JDPriestly Dec 2012 #149

The gun buy back in LA netted rocket launchers AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #50

no, empty tubes Duckhunter935 Dec 2012 #57

It also netted 75 assault weapons AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #61

The term "assault weapon"... krispos42 Dec 2012 #73

Nice try AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #75

From the California definition of Assault Weapon hack89 Dec 2012 #77

You can spin until your head explodes AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #81

They collected assault "weapons" correct? hack89 Dec 2012 #83

It is third grade arithmetic AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #124

Some pistols are pistols, some pistols are assault weapons hack89 Dec 2012 #130

So... AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #131

Just pointing out that those assualt weapons hack89 Dec 2012 #132

So they counted the weapons twice? AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #137

What type of weapons constitute assault weapons according to CA law? hack89 Dec 2012 #142

My 9mm is 12+1 obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #86

I have a 9mm T33 Tokarev AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #126

How am I supposed to know? obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #129

My point exactly AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #133

*sigh* krispos42 Dec 2012 #101

The gun count is cut and dried AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #127

I'm not. I'm letting you know that "assault weapons"... krispos42 Dec 2012 #146

Absolute made up nonsense AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #147

I'm sorry we've reached an impasse. krispos42 Dec 2012 #157

You really need to educate yourself on this topic. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #166

It netted 2 war trophies. krispos42 Dec 2012 #72

Why are you so intimidated AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #76

no Duckhunter935 Dec 2012 #90

I dislike hysteria-based politics and policy and legislation. krispos42 Dec 2012 #96

Says the person freaking out at the equivalent of a pair of scabbards? (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #161

Yeah! Good idea. Spirochete Dec 2012 #38

For one year followed by a strict prohibition of future sales. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #44

As long as you're buying them from people who will misus them. rrneck Dec 2012 #46

What would I buy with worthless rifles? shintao Dec 2012 #48

Put a stipulation in the buy back law AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #52

But that's the problem Revanchist Dec 2012 #70

Your position is very convoluted AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #78

So they can go out and buy new ones? The NRA would be delighted... Walk away Dec 2012 #51

throw this in with it, now we're talking! farminator3000 Dec 2012 #55

A tiny minority of gun owners would be livid, or abuse the system AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #56

I think it is a great idea. Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #65

A lot of guns would be permanently off the street divineorder Dec 2012 #84

I'd just sell my 3 guns for 1500 dollars and then rebuy them for like the 700 I originally paid Kurska Dec 2012 #91

Would you do that if it were against the law to do so? Robb Dec 2012 #92

No, but I'd manipulate the hell out of it. Kurska Dec 2012 #181

Seeing as how a Bushmaster .223 costs about 50% more than $500... OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #94

Gun theft would go through the roof so thieves could turn them in for the $$$ - lynne Dec 2012 #97

Similar to my gun buy back idea. ZX86 Dec 2012 #100

We need to stop thinking about this as a class issue. Deep13 Dec 2012 #102

My idea would address your concerns. ZX86 Dec 2012 #104

You would get a bunch cheap rifles, shotguns and pistols. But it wouldn't doc03 Dec 2012 #106

Are only expensive weapons dangerous? Robb Dec 2012 #107

No I am talking mostly about the military style semi-autos doc03 Dec 2012 #111

You can kill 20 kids with 20 guns in 20 hands pretty easily, too. Robb Dec 2012 #113

You will never eliminate those deaths unless you eliminate all guns doc03 Dec 2012 #115

I know, zero chance because there are so many guns. Robb Dec 2012 #117

Overpay? Have you priced guns lately? GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #108

I can walk outside and get five pistols for $500 in under an hour. Robb Dec 2012 #109

If you want Jimenez Arms, go for it. N/T GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #152

Are cheap handguns somehow less dangerous? Robb Dec 2012 #154

$500 is more than a lot of guns are worth. And some guns are worth a hell of a lot more than that. backscatter712 Dec 2012 #114

Lottery idea bypasses a lot of your concerns. ZX86 Dec 2012 #121

Is it just me or..... ZX86 Dec 2012 #116

It's because with 300 million guns in the US, gun control is "impossible." Robb Dec 2012 #119

Actually, gun buybacks aren't a bad idea. Xithras Dec 2012 #122

Straw man? ZX86 Dec 2012 #123

No straw man. Preschool level mathematics. Xithras Dec 2012 #125

More of the same AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #138

Actually its definately a great idea, SQUEE Dec 2012 #136

Placating the "rabble" with the false sense of power guns offer is better? Robb Dec 2012 #139

The right to protect yourself is no false sense. SQUEE Dec 2012 #140

Everybody's got their story about how their guns aren't part of the problem. Robb Dec 2012 #141

either way as long as it is legal and my right.. SQUEE Dec 2012 #143

To mangle Holmes, your right to swing your gun ends where my nose begins. Robb Dec 2012 #144

I will rely on H.L. Mencken SQUEE Dec 2012 #145

That would only work if you controlled gun sales. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #148

There is regulation already. Robb Dec 2012 #153

I think you'd have to limit what kind of guns were included. JoeyT Dec 2012 #150

Or "blue book" x 1.5, up to $500. (nt) Robb Dec 2012 #156

I'd pull 3 or 4 of my sub 500 bucks guns for this. ileus Dec 2012 #158