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In reply to the discussion: New angle shows Good blocking the street and honking before the shooting. [View all]lostnfound
(17,415 posts)50. ICE had no legal authority to tell a US citizen to get out of the vehicle and they are also not traffic cops
This former officers statements made a lot of sense to me.
https://substack.com/@tomhoefling/note/c-197600374
"As a former officer, let me make something clear: ICE agents ARE NOT police officers, deputy sheriffs, or troopers. They are not local/state law enforcement. They are not federal criminal law enforcement. They have an INCREDIBLY limited scope of authority, and that scope of authority exists in detaining and arresting with probable cause and/or SIGNED WARRANTS those investigated and suspected of being in the US illegally.
"They cannot just pull anyone over for a traffic violation or because their car is in a place they don't want it. They have NO authority to pull people over for ANYTHING other than immigration enforcement- and even then that involves probable cause, such as a known vehicle of someone they have been tracking, or a warrant. On very rare occasions they have the legal authority to pull someone over if they are threatening the lives of others, but that was not happening in this case. They do not have the training nor the authority to pull ANYONE else over. They cannot arrest legal citizens. They cannot detain legal citizens without probable cause to believe they might not be legal. They have ZERO authority to be attempting to force entry into a vehicle- without even identifying themselves, without a warrant, without exigent circumstances such as a life being directly threatened- that is trying to drive down the street without probable cause in relation to IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.
This ENTIRE situation in Minnesota was outside of the scope of legal authority from the get go. None of it was done within the scope of authority of ICE. Every single behavior those agents made was procedurally incorrect, done without proper authority, and was based off of intimidation and the assumption that people do not understand the law and their rights in regards to interactions with ICE.
"On no planet should an officer, agent, or any human being ever step in front of a car in 'drive' that is actively trying to leave and use their body as a shield to prevent a person from LEGALLY LEAVING a situation in which they are not legally being detained. It takes maybe a week of any kind of actual law enforcement training to understand that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES do you ever place yourself in front of a vehicle in 'drive.' That agent had every single opportunity to simply take two steps to the right and not be standing directly in front of a vehicle attempting to conduct their legal right to drive away.
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New angle shows Good blocking the street and honking before the shooting. [View all]
mikelewis
Saturday
OP
If Good was not named in a juducual warrant, then ICE has no power of arrest
Bluetus
15 hrs ago
#119
He was clearly furious with her. Because he couldn't terrorize her or arrest her.
Irish_Dem
12 hrs ago
#133
Sadly, when you got the president coming out saying you're a hero for stone cold murder...
mikelewis
Saturday
#18
"She was actually interfering with law enforcement and could have been arrested. Sorry, that's the reality."
sop
Saturday
#4
I've no idea... the charge I would have slapped on her would have been impeding law enforcement...
mikelewis
Saturday
#9
It's legal to protest, what she did might warrant a traffic citation
questionseverything
Saturday
#58
there were fucking cars going around her vehicle right before the agents approached her car
bigtree
Saturday
#7
You are so right... somehow I'm in league with Trump wanting to murder citizens....
mikelewis
Saturday
#13
This post is bullshit Republican talking points. It has been sent to the jury as objectionable.
flashman13
Saturday
#17
How on earth is this a Repbulican Talking point... do you not understand words?
mikelewis
Saturday
#22
No law enforcement was happening, she was trying to follow orders, and any of the things you describe in your OP
WhiskeyGrinder
Saturday
#21
"This proves she was murdered by ICE." What does? Ross being frustrated? Plenty of jurors would find that justifiable.
WhiskeyGrinder
Saturday
#37
It's hard to tell at least on a phone (mine) vs a ? tablet or especially a computer, but the horn sound was not....
electric_blue68
Saturday
#71
You are correct... all I have is video angles... Are you saying they didn't murder her? They clearly did!
mikelewis
Saturday
#28
I agree... but I think this video proves the ICE agent acted out of anger... not duty.
mikelewis
Saturday
#33
I think they're pissed off because you said that she was interfering with law enforcement
EarlG
Saturday
#46
There were posts stating the police could just go to her house and arrest her since they had her plate number
MichMan
Saturday
#91
Correct... she lived on the street. Any real police would have just tacked on another charge...
mikelewis
Saturday
#43
Has ICE in the current crackdown ever "followed up" with an impeding arrest?
Prairie Gates
Saturday
#56
ICE had no legal authority to tell a US citizen to get out of the vehicle and they are also not traffic cops
lostnfound
Saturday
#50
Find myself wondering: how many people who say she was blocking traffic have ever driven on icy roads
Attilatheblond
Saturday
#88
Even in this, your most charitable interpretation, her crime was to blow her horn and whistle.
Scrivener7
17 hrs ago
#111