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reACTIONary

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67. The way this is done without a warrant is.....
Mon Jan 12, 2026, 06:13 PM
7 hrs ago

.... to purchase the data from data aggregators that collect the data legally and are in the business of selling it. So, yes, private citizens, who can afford it, can track you in this way.

"ICE had purchased two products produced by the American software company Pen-Link"

Pen-Link is a software company composed of "private individuals", and I don't think Pen-Link would have any quams about selling their products to anyone with the money.

Here I an example of the cell phone "tracking" product, which does not track in real time, but instead provides historical data:

Webloc is a controversial cellphone location-tracking system used by law enforcement agencies, notably U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and the Texas Department of Public Safety. Developed by the Israeli company Cobwebs (which merged into PenLink in 2023), it aggregates vast amounts of commercial location data from hundreds of millions of mobile devices.

How Webloc Works

Webloc operates by purchasing location data that is generated by smartphone apps for advertising purposes. This data includes information from apps, GPS, and Wi-Fi signals and is linked to a mobile advertising ID (MAID). The system's key features include:

Mass Data Collection: It gathers an extensive database of location points from a multitude of apps without requiring direct access to a user's phone.

Geofencing: Users (e.g., law enforcement agents) can draw a virtual perimeter on a map and query the system for all devices present in that area during a specific time.

Movement Tracking: It monitors and traces the historical movements of individual phones over time to establish patterns, infer home addresses, workplaces, and social connections.

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Yep..................... Lovie777 16 hrs ago #1
To be fair, most of that information can be obtained by any private citizen. Hellbound Hellhound 16 hrs ago #2
Private citizens cannot track you this way obamanut2012 15 hrs ago #3
You GROSSLY underestimate how much information is already out there and how much can be FOIA'd to the right companies. Hellbound Hellhound 15 hrs ago #4
You missed the point about wholesale government surveillance. Kid Berwyn 15 hrs ago #17
Oh, I didn't miss the point; My counterpoint is that one doesn't even need the government to do it. Hellbound Hellhound 15 hrs ago #18
That's great, but besides the original point. Kid Berwyn 15 hrs ago #19
I mean, there's obviously degrees of power. Hellbound Hellhound 15 hrs ago #23
We are all naked to public scrutiny. RVN VET71 14 hrs ago #53
10/10, no notes. I agree with you fully. n/t Hellbound Hellhound 14 hrs ago #54
And, of course, there is the NSA data center in Utah markodochartaigh 15 hrs ago #27
Thanks, Kid. n/t yellow dahlia 4 hrs ago #70
You are misisng my point: private citzens cannot track you this way obamanut2012 14 hrs ago #44
Hey man, you got a personal stake tied up in this, I don't. I understand. "You're right" if that's what you need. n/t Hellbound Hellhound 14 hrs ago #47
Squirrell stillspkg 13 hrs ago #57
Oh, see, THAT is a drastically different animal and I agree entirely. Hellbound Hellhound 12 hrs ago #58
FOIA's aren't dealt with quickly & are challenged for "standing," so the FOIA argument doesn't hold for average citizens ancianita 2 hrs ago #74
As a for instance... Hellbound Hellhound 15 hrs ago #16
I'm not disputing what you're saying radical noodle 14 hrs ago #37
Context search. Post history, details gleaned, timestamps, general statements, writing style, locations, profiles... Hellbound Hellhound 14 hrs ago #38
So here's PURELY an example. Hellbound Hellhound 14 hrs ago #39
Wow! radical noodle 7 hrs ago #66
Tell me how YOU track a neighborhood's worth of phones like teh OP states obamanut2012 14 hrs ago #45
With a lot of hard work and research. Hellbound Hellhound 14 hrs ago #48
Do it DBoon 2 hrs ago #75
It is fairly trivial Lithos 15 hrs ago #28
It really isn't obamanut2012 14 hrs ago #46
They do it all the time Lithos 10 hrs ago #62
The way this is done without a warrant is..... reACTIONary 7 hrs ago #67
Just wait ForgedCrank 15 hrs ago #20
One of those is less than a mile down the main road that runs in front of the farm. ... littlemissmartypants 14 hrs ago #40
The guy ForgedCrank 14 hrs ago #41
I tried to add it. But it's more complicated than I have bandwidth for at the moment. ... littlemissmartypants 14 hrs ago #52
Oooooh! MorbidButterflyTat 4 hrs ago #71
It really does! What a great idea, MBT! ❤️ littlemissmartypants 3 hrs ago #72
Kick dalton99a 15 hrs ago #5
I do not have a cell phone katmondoo 15 hrs ago #7
I don't have one either! CountAllVotes 14 hrs ago #43
It's called 'Stingray' CousinIT 15 hrs ago #6
Stingray is ancient tech orangecrush 15 hrs ago #21
Still in use though, it seems - article from June 2025. I remember from the No Kings protest...people were.. CousinIT 15 hrs ago #24
There are apps in Google Play store orangecrush 15 hrs ago #32
So would it work to "go invisible" if you turn your phone totally off and put it in an RFID wallet? woodsprite 15 hrs ago #8
Burners are currently the best option, and the cheapest for their efficacy. Hellbound Hellhound 15 hrs ago #9
Spot on. orangecrush 15 hrs ago #22
Cheers mate, thanks for the nod. Hellbound Hellhound 15 hrs ago #25
True again orangecrush 15 hrs ago #30
Solid. I've always wanted to get into HAM but money's been the limiting factor. Hellbound Hellhound 15 hrs ago #31
Look up "Baofeng" ham radio orangecrush 15 hrs ago #33
No shit? Man, I just took a look and they've changed a LOT since I looked last! Hellbound Hellhound 15 hrs ago #35
My pleasure orangecrush 15 hrs ago #36
I saw a video orangecrush 15 hrs ago #26
Agreed, with cameras everywhere, the only surefire way to not get tracked via phone is to not have a phone. Hellbound Hellhound 15 hrs ago #29
A good RFID bag (or Faraday bag) would help a lot. erronis 14 hrs ago #49
Perhaps you could "go invisible" temporarily. progressoid 6 hrs ago #68
Scary jfz9580m 15 hrs ago #10
Your tax dollars at work. Kid Berwyn 15 hrs ago #11
Well, when you integrate something into every aspect of your life without a clear understanding of how it all works... OldBaldy1701E 15 hrs ago #12
California launches one-click system to delete personal data from hundreds of brokers cbabe 15 hrs ago #15
Good idea. We'll see how well it really works. erronis 14 hrs ago #50
Law enforcement has been using portable cell phone tower capture devices...stingray...since the 90's Melon 15 hrs ago #13
Can law enforcement "see" your phone if your location services is turned off? Felicita 4 hrs ago #69
I think if your phone is on...which is using cell service Melon 1 hr ago #76
Having a cell phone is like having the Government in your pocket, and not just the U.S. gov! RedWhiteBlueIsRacist 15 hrs ago #14
Word orangecrush 15 hrs ago #34
THAT was the name of the show I was thinking of, "Person of Interest". Hellbound Hellhound 14 hrs ago #42
The consistent misuse of information has a foul smell attached to it Torchlight 14 hrs ago #51
Intrusive vs Exclusive Tech 2na fisherman 13 hrs ago #55
that has to be unconstitutional, right? barbtries 13 hrs ago #56
You'd be surprised how much of their lives people sign away to cell phone companies in their contracts. n/t Hellbound Hellhound 12 hrs ago #59
Faraday bags -misanthroptimist 12 hrs ago #60
I somehow survived half a century without a cell phone. hunter 12 hrs ago #61
NAZIS Joinfortmill 9 hrs ago #63
A VPN will protect your data through encryption, although not your movement GoodRaisin 9 hrs ago #64
Elon??? Evolve Dammit 7 hrs ago #65
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