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In reply to the discussion: 'Horrifying' leak reveals ICE 'stalkers' have access to Americans' cell phone data [View all]reACTIONary
(6,988 posts)67. The way this is done without a warrant is.....
.... to purchase the data from data aggregators that collect the data legally and are in the business of selling it. So, yes, private citizens, who can afford it, can track you in this way.
"ICE had purchased two products produced by the American software company Pen-Link"
Pen-Link is a software company composed of "private individuals", and I don't think Pen-Link would have any quams about selling their products to anyone with the money.
Here I an example of the cell phone "tracking" product, which does not track in real time, but instead provides historical data:
Webloc is a controversial cellphone location-tracking system used by law enforcement agencies, notably U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and the Texas Department of Public Safety. Developed by the Israeli company Cobwebs (which merged into PenLink in 2023), it aggregates vast amounts of commercial location data from hundreds of millions of mobile devices.
How Webloc Works
Webloc operates by purchasing location data that is generated by smartphone apps for advertising purposes. This data includes information from apps, GPS, and Wi-Fi signals and is linked to a mobile advertising ID (MAID). The system's key features include:
Mass Data Collection: It gathers an extensive database of location points from a multitude of apps without requiring direct access to a user's phone.
Geofencing: Users (e.g., law enforcement agents) can draw a virtual perimeter on a map and query the system for all devices present in that area during a specific time.
Movement Tracking: It monitors and traces the historical movements of individual phones over time to establish patterns, infer home addresses, workplaces, and social connections.
How Webloc Works
Webloc operates by purchasing location data that is generated by smartphone apps for advertising purposes. This data includes information from apps, GPS, and Wi-Fi signals and is linked to a mobile advertising ID (MAID). The system's key features include:
Mass Data Collection: It gathers an extensive database of location points from a multitude of apps without requiring direct access to a user's phone.
Geofencing: Users (e.g., law enforcement agents) can draw a virtual perimeter on a map and query the system for all devices present in that area during a specific time.
Movement Tracking: It monitors and traces the historical movements of individual phones over time to establish patterns, infer home addresses, workplaces, and social connections.
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'Horrifying' leak reveals ICE 'stalkers' have access to Americans' cell phone data [View all]
cbabe
16 hrs ago
OP
To be fair, most of that information can be obtained by any private citizen.
Hellbound Hellhound
16 hrs ago
#2
You GROSSLY underestimate how much information is already out there and how much can be FOIA'd to the right companies.
Hellbound Hellhound
15 hrs ago
#4
Oh, I didn't miss the point; My counterpoint is that one doesn't even need the government to do it.
Hellbound Hellhound
15 hrs ago
#18
Hey man, you got a personal stake tied up in this, I don't. I understand. "You're right" if that's what you need. n/t
Hellbound Hellhound
14 hrs ago
#47
Oh, see, THAT is a drastically different animal and I agree entirely.
Hellbound Hellhound
12 hrs ago
#58
FOIA's aren't dealt with quickly & are challenged for "standing," so the FOIA argument doesn't hold for average citizens
ancianita
2 hrs ago
#74
Context search. Post history, details gleaned, timestamps, general statements, writing style, locations, profiles...
Hellbound Hellhound
14 hrs ago
#38
Tell me how YOU track a neighborhood's worth of phones like teh OP states
obamanut2012
14 hrs ago
#45
One of those is less than a mile down the main road that runs in front of the farm. ...
littlemissmartypants
14 hrs ago
#40
I tried to add it. But it's more complicated than I have bandwidth for at the moment. ...
littlemissmartypants
14 hrs ago
#52
Still in use though, it seems - article from June 2025. I remember from the No Kings protest...people were..
CousinIT
15 hrs ago
#24
So would it work to "go invisible" if you turn your phone totally off and put it in an RFID wallet?
woodsprite
15 hrs ago
#8
Burners are currently the best option, and the cheapest for their efficacy.
Hellbound Hellhound
15 hrs ago
#9
Solid. I've always wanted to get into HAM but money's been the limiting factor.
Hellbound Hellhound
15 hrs ago
#31
No shit? Man, I just took a look and they've changed a LOT since I looked last!
Hellbound Hellhound
15 hrs ago
#35
Agreed, with cameras everywhere, the only surefire way to not get tracked via phone is to not have a phone.
Hellbound Hellhound
15 hrs ago
#29
Well, when you integrate something into every aspect of your life without a clear understanding of how it all works...
OldBaldy1701E
15 hrs ago
#12
California launches one-click system to delete personal data from hundreds of brokers
cbabe
15 hrs ago
#15
Law enforcement has been using portable cell phone tower capture devices...stingray...since the 90's
Melon
15 hrs ago
#13
Can law enforcement "see" your phone if your location services is turned off?
Felicita
4 hrs ago
#69
Having a cell phone is like having the Government in your pocket, and not just the U.S. gov!
RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
15 hrs ago
#14
THAT was the name of the show I was thinking of, "Person of Interest".
Hellbound Hellhound
14 hrs ago
#42
You'd be surprised how much of their lives people sign away to cell phone companies in their contracts. n/t
Hellbound Hellhound
12 hrs ago
#59
A VPN will protect your data through encryption, although not your movement
GoodRaisin
9 hrs ago
#64