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224. When facts are lacking, everything is a CT. Your theory is nothing more than

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 06:34 PM

Dec 2012

a CT by your own standards. I notice you have provided no facts to back your CT, just the usual rhetoric we get when there are no facts to present.

I know some NYC Firefighters and they are certain the building was purposely demolished because it was unstable. As I pointed out above, John Kerry and the owner himself, also stated it was demolished on purpose. I don't get the huge effort to deny this as it is perfectly logical to try to prevent an unstable building from collapsing on its own and destroying other buildings and residences nearby. Why are you so worried about this? Airc, most NYers just assumed that is what happened to Bldg 7 and saw nothing wrong with it.

But once people began working so hard to dispel that story, people began to wonder 'why', 'why are they so concerned about this'?

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GHW Bush, JFK's assassination, the CIA and drugs [View all] Ian62 Dec 2012 OP

Anyone who believes Oswald acted alone is a fool dballance Dec 2012 #1

But, but life is so much easier w/o complications. Denial is sooo nice sometimes. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #4

Denial is the undoing of these United States NEOBuckeye Dec 2012 #24

I agree. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #39

Back in early 1970's, published in, of all places, Computer World, was a very detailed discussion kelliekat44 Dec 2012 #228

Anyone else seen this article? nt kelliekat44 Dec 2012 #257

You may be thinking of 'Computers and Automation' Mc Mike Dec 2012 #260

Vincent Bugliosi, in "Reclaiming History," examines this issue (of coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #262

"Reclaiming History" is not fiction? MinM Dec 2012 #266

"RH" should win a Pulitzer, imho, not that most Americans will ever bother coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #267

you're right zappaman Dec 2012 #269

Speaking of entertaining, have you read the novel 'The Tears of Autumn' by coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #271

Sounds good. zappaman Dec 2012 #272

I'm going through the whole op and subthreads for the third time, now. Mc Mike Dec 2012 #273

And here's a link to a (not complete) list of witnesses/connected individuals who died, Mc Mike Jan 2013 #294

@johnsimkin: Harold Feldman published an important article on the JFK assassination in The Nation... MinM Dec 2012 #258

I'll never understand how Ted Kennedy accepted the official story Ter Dec 2012 #30

I honestly don't think he believed it after Bobby Kennedy made it clear that he knew what happened.. MrMickeysMom Dec 2012 #34

he may have done so barbtries Dec 2012 #84

I suspect T. Kennedy did what he thought was best dballance Dec 2012 #127

You're wrong cpwm17 Dec 2012 #57

Perhaps you should watch the film again dballance Dec 2012 #65

Click on the link to the Creative Speculation thread cpwm17 Dec 2012 #76

LOL! More fiction from the "LHO did it alone" crowd!.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #81

You changed the subject and didn't address the evidence cpwm17 Dec 2012 #82

And you obviously believe Arlen Specter's bogus "Single Bullet Theory". Enough said. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #83

You are ... BlueNoteSpecial Dec 2012 #157

sometimes .... wildbilln864 Dec 2012 #162

dballance in post #1 made a particular claim concerning the direction of the shot cpwm17 Dec 2012 #199

see post #194. nt wildbilln864 Dec 2012 #233

You're correct, but don't expect the JFK CTists to bother viewing the evidence. stopbush Dec 2012 #158

You're right – It does seem that the majority of Americans cpwm17 Dec 2012 #173

Well perhaps if the government allowed all the evidence to be public it could be reviewed. dballance Dec 2012 #194

I don't think there's much left to release... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #201

CIA assigned 1963 Oswald minder George Joannides the 1977 job of liaison with HSCA. Octafish Dec 2012 #206

I don't believe LHO acted alone, either. And I also believe the CIA was involved... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #207

It is most troubling, seeing the way history has unfolded since that terrible day. Octafish Dec 2012 #211

He was in Dallas. So was Nixon. Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #214

A friend of mine, who was in the Korean War, said that the "jerk backwards" that JFK did... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #200

If fact, had your friend been able to do a frame-by-frame film analysis, such coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #204

Ever watch slow motion video of a bullet hitting a mellon. Eddie Haskell Dec 2012 #285

JFK was no mellon. Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #286

I don't believe Oswald acted alone. Certainly, the congressional Commission on Assassinations didn't Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #70

That photo is not clear, but the record of his call to the FBI is clear. Festivito Dec 2012 #123

The Business Coup has been known for decades (and is irrelevant in this discussion)... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #136

Who says the "more than 10 people involved" are still alive? dballance Dec 2012 #195

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #71

Here is what 'morons' who were there actually said... Octafish Dec 2012 #85

That Post Got Hidden Octafish HangOnKids Dec 2012 #135

One needs courage to stand for what one actually saw and heard Berlum Dec 2012 #245

Thanks for your kind words dballance Dec 2012 #115

Autopsy results on JFK hidden, no examination of Connelly after he died... rwsanders Dec 2012 #153

Those kinds of accusations are meaningless on a handled internet forum. You could be CIA or stevenleser Dec 2012 #264

I agree, I wasn't really accusing anyone, but I rwsanders Jan 2013 #295

Have you read Vincent Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History" yet? If not, I strongly coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #80

Hey, you checked this book out? zappaman Dec 2012 #101

I'm on the final chapter ("Conclusion of No Conspiracy") now and hope to coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #148

I've never read all 26 volumes of the WC, like some posters have claimed to. zappaman Dec 2012 #151

Agreed Mr Dixon Dec 2012 #113

The thought has occurred to me over the years: What if he disclosed everything, NBachers Dec 2012 #2

Babs would never allow it. tblue Dec 2012 #19

I agree as long as wife and sons are alive marlakay Dec 2012 #97

I think that is why they are insisting on so much "privacy" don't want anyone catching a stray word. rwsanders Dec 2012 #160

That's what Hunt did. Read the Rolling Stone article. Last Stand Dec 2012 #180

Thank you for this article Ian62 Dec 2012 #197

how about trading with the enemy roguevalley Dec 2012 #3

I already have that in the link Ian62 Dec 2012 #6

good, Ian. thank you. roguevalley Dec 2012 #50

how about the October Surprise. Plus the strategy of minority tools like Clarence THOMAS UTUSN Dec 2012 #79

Poppy sold his sole to the devil. He will have to pay his dues. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #5

Poppy's pappy sold his soul first... MrMickeysMom Dec 2012 #35

May their whole family go to hell. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #38

Aren't they responsible for H E double toothpicks? MrMickeysMom Dec 2012 #92

Good point. They probably welcome hell. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #93

Wasn't he also in the plot to overthrow FDR, the one they tried to recruit Mj. Gen Smedley Butler? rwsanders Dec 2012 #161

Right on... MrMickeysMom Dec 2012 #190

I was speaking to my aunt last night dflprincess Dec 2012 #107

poppy has no soul and.... wildbilln864 Dec 2012 #166

Read "Blood, Money and Power, how LBJ killed JFK" by Barr McClellan for additional information Samantha Dec 2012 #7

CT's galore! Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #9

Those who think LBJ had a role in the assassination of JFK have a very high hurdle to coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #96

Look who was on that Commission... All of them were enemies of Kennedy MessiahRp Dec 2012 #139

You really need to read Vincent Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History". Bugliosi coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #149

"The book changed the way I view the assassination of JFK." zappaman Dec 2012 #152

While I would never have described myself previously as a "CTer," I suppose I coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #155

+1 n/t zappaman Dec 2012 #159

Robert Oswald's interview is another eye-opener kskiska Dec 2012 #248

Great interview. zappaman Dec 2012 #251

Bruce Ivins' brother (Anthrax Case) turned on him too... MinM Dec 2012 #256

Thank you for posting. As a brother who has a (younger) brother who coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #268

"...Mr. and Mrs. Paine are somehow involved in this affair." MinM Feb 2013 #296

They wanted to secure "notoriety" for themselves? Really? PCIntern Dec 2012 #253

Your syntax is so garbled that I'm having trouble discerning exactly what's got coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #255

"Do you believe that Obama is a Kenyan?' zappaman Dec 2012 #261

I don't think all members of the Warren Commission were 'enemies of Kennedy'. Perhaps coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #182

And I highly recommend Blood, Money & Power simply for the evidence the author produced Samantha Dec 2012 #164

You mean these tapes? boomer55 Dec 2012 #114

I have not listened to the tapes but thank you for reminding me of them Samantha Dec 2012 #167

Oy vey... GHWB had nothing to do w/ the JFK assassination... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #8

Are you about to tell us that it was felled by arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #10

That's what happened.What's your version? Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #11

Who am I to disavow you of your belief arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #14

Heehee! You answered my post, unsolicited... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #15

I've often observed that a rather efficient way to prevent LanternWaste Dec 2012 #88

I call such theories "CT's" because that's what they are Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #94

So you believe conspiracies never happen? whathehell Dec 2012 #169

There's conspiracies. And then, there's theories... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #177

When facts are lacking, everything is a CT. Your theory is nothing more than sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #224

Oh please zappaman Dec 2012 #225

Lol, hilarious ... sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #227

You're really making no sense cpwm17 Dec 2012 #235

Talk about not making sense. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #246

You really are trying rather hard to try and put tin foil hats on people Ian62 Dec 2012 #288

I have marked your card as someone not to be trusted or believed Ian62 Dec 2012 #290

It would seem that Cooley Hurd & cpwm17 are working together Ian62 Dec 2012 #291

It's not surprising that someone who promotes conspiracies cpwm17 Dec 2012 #292

My "theory" is based on established fact... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #232

A plane slammed into it?? sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #29

No, that massive building (the North Tower) that slammed into it cpwm17 Dec 2012 #54

Um, perhaps you missed the fact that both WTC1 and WTC2 collapsed into themselves? dballance Dec 2012 #121

Actually, WTC1 & WTC2 didn't collapse into themselves – not even close. cpwm17 Dec 2012 #130

You still have not explained why common building fires might have brought down WTC7 dballance Dec 2012 #132

The interiors pancaked, but the outer shells fell outward. Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #178

Can you support that? freedom fighter jh Dec 2012 #147

it''s gone man! wildbilln864 Dec 2012 #234

Long time, wildbilln freedom fighter jh Dec 2012 #244

AE911TRUTH is a Richard Gage operation cpwm17 Dec 2012 #243

Responses freedom fighter jh Dec 2012 #247

I'm being brief so as not to hijack this thread cpwm17 Dec 2012 #249

1. You disagree with Richard Gage on one fact and therefore freedom fighter jh Dec 2012 #250

Here's what happened by all sane accounts... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #69

Google it. John Kerry was recorded stating that it was brought down in a 'controlled sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #99

I did not know John Kerry was a controlled demolitions expert! zappaman Dec 2012 #102

I don't believe I said what I believe. I merely pointed out that John Kerry sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #118

I think Kerry got tricked by the question. joshcryer Dec 2012 #187

C'mon! It's PERFECTLY SAFE to go into a tilting building-on-fire with explosives! Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #241

What about the Bay of Pigs? Boomerproud Dec 2012 #52

Read my post again: Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #61

I read your post. Boomerproud Dec 2012 #145

You didn't ask a question... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #163

yes he did! perhaps.... wildbilln864 Dec 2012 #236

Perhaps your reading comprehension skills prevented you from properly following the thread: Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #237

you said he asked no questions. I simply corrected your error! wildbilln864 Dec 2012 #239

Nice sexism: "Panties in a wad". Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #240

Heh Jim Warren Dec 2012 #62

That would be a first, here... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #66

Hmmm Jim Warren Dec 2012 #122

Hmmm Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #137

Diversionary tactics Jim Warren Dec 2012 #185

someone has the vapors! Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #193

Are you trying to discredit this post by referencing a completely unrelated event Ian62 Dec 2012 #87

No, but when the messenger is suspect... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #95

I think 9/11 was whom we said did it Taverner Dec 2012 #280

Keep in mind, conspiracies DO happen Taverner Dec 2012 #282

... Arugula Latte Dec 2012 #12

That is the most absurd assertion I have ever seen in my life RomneyLies Dec 2012 #73

OMIGOD!!!! zappaman Dec 2012 #104

I just used your logic ... It all makes sense now! MrMickeysMom Dec 2012 #111

Yes, and he cleverly shaved small portions of his head so his hairline would appear similar -- but MADem Dec 2012 #202

What's so funny? Jim Warren Dec 2012 #13

Well that is just downright creepy. Marie Marie Dec 2012 #16

Yes, it makes you wonder... JazzQuipster Dec 2012 #22

lol 2pooped2pop Dec 2012 #28

So, you did see him laugh Jim Warren Dec 2012 #36

Welcome to DU, JazzQuipster! calimary Dec 2012 #42

I understand and have the same fantasy for arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #63

You forgot a crucial question (imo): did William Shakespeare of coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #90

"I did...and my wife and I wrote the Sonnets". Nt PCIntern Dec 2012 #254

Well, Congress voted to go to war with Iraq over evidence inferior to this MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #75

LHO was also indisputably a committed Marxist who admired Castro and one who took serious coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #86

Shhhhhhh!!!!! zappaman Dec 2012 #105

Is that what they taught you in high school a few years ago? whathehell Dec 2012 #176

Does 42 years count as a "few years ago?" JazzQuipster Dec 2012 #198

Why would a CTer read a book with facts? zappaman Dec 2012 #218

How odd. Thanks for the clip. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #20

Wow. That is bizarre. He has no remorse on the murder of JFK. Nada. glinda Dec 2012 #31

Russ Baker's book was fascinating. Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #17

How much do you know about the meeting that took place the night before JFK's murder.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #18

For some, the truth is overrated. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #21

This subject belongs in Creative Speculation frogmarch Dec 2012 #23

I am sick of this attitude Tumbulu Dec 2012 #27

All of the evidence is that Oswald acted alone. cpwm17 Dec 2012 #51

No, that is not correct. Here's what the evidence says: Octafish Dec 2012 #98

No, he was correct, my good friend. zappaman Dec 2012 #108

John McAdams is a professional debunker who has made a career of espousing the lone-nut line. Octafish Dec 2012 #110

Oh, my friend... zappaman Dec 2012 #112

Why do you continue with your nonsense, zappaman? Octafish Dec 2012 #188

I worry about you, old friend. zappaman Dec 2012 #219

Why did the CIA hire the MAFIA in 1960 to kill Castro? Octafish Dec 2012 #223

Why won't you answer my question, old chum? zappaman Dec 2012 #226

The truth is, I've never claimed to know that, zappaman. Octafish Dec 2012 #229

Show me where I have made personal attacks, old friend. zappaman Dec 2012 #252

Here's one example. Octafish Dec 2012 #259

Yes, Inspector Clouseau always got his man! zappaman Dec 2012 #263

You asked me that last time you attempted to divert discussion of the JFK assassination. Octafish Dec 2012 #265

Why won't you answer questions? zappaman Dec 2012 #270

Questions? Your puerile demands? Your straw men? Why don't you ever criticize the BFEE, zappamaman? Octafish Dec 2012 #274

Oh talk about strawman zappaman Dec 2012 #283

Is this the guy? Octafish Dec 2012 #287

Here's my educated guess... MinM Dec 2012 #275

Wrong. zappaman Dec 2012 #281

The Final Govt Investigation concluded there was a Conspiracy... MinM Dec 2012 #289

NO - the evidence is that only three of the bullets could have come from Oswald Taverner Dec 2012 #284

And some are sick of the attitude jberryhill Dec 2012 #276

And there's the real CT, right there in the last sentence! sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #32

Older people my age watoos Dec 2012 #25

I always thought brettdale Dec 2012 #26

He also said his wife disagrees with him about that dflprincess Dec 2012 #33

I love Stephen King, but he's a writer of fiction. Period. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #49

So the big name they want to hold up as arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #64

Um, Vincent Bugliosi also makes an incredibly substantive case that LHO coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #89

In all his writings this was the only time I arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #103

Why did you disagree? And on what grounds specifically? I'm just starting coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #181

Bugliosi's book has been thoroughly debunked... MinM Dec 2012 #128

Thank you. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #142

Thanks for that link. I would hardly conclude from it, though, that Bugliosi's book coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #179

That actually was just 1 of 12... MinM Dec 2012 #203

Thanks again for the additional links. I'm somewhat new to the back alleys and coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #205

No, his book has not been debunked. zappaman Dec 2012 #222

Except, yes, Bugliosi's book has been debunked. Octafish Dec 2012 #230

thank you octafish! nt wildbilln864 Dec 2012 #238

Welcome to DU, watoos! calimary Dec 2012 #43

Nixon also claimed that he wasn't in Dallas that day until an investigative reporter.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #53

The Secret Team reteachinwi Dec 2012 #37

Welcome to DU, reteachinwi! calimary Dec 2012 #45

Thank you for the welcome reteachinwi Dec 2012 #55

Yeah. 'Fraid we get pretty wild and wooly here sometimes. calimary Dec 2012 #58

It's why I come back reteachinwi Dec 2012 #77

You can find the entire book at the link inside.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #56

Well, who knows? Stranger things have happened. calimary Dec 2012 #59

Lots of Righties In Dallas That Day colsohlibgal Dec 2012 #40

Oswald Jim Warren Dec 2012 #41

Oswald and the CIA, by John Newman: Gabi Hayes Dec 2012 #44

Angleton may have been involved, but at a lower level. MessiahRp Dec 2012 #143

any prouty connection is suspect.....he just went too far with Gabi Hayes Dec 2012 #231

I've read James Douglass' book! LongTomH Dec 2012 #184

Man, the people on this thread need to adjust the tinfoil RomneyLies Dec 2012 #46

A surprising number of liberals fall for this CT nonsense cpwm17 Dec 2012 #48

"A surprising number of liberals...their ridiculous theories..." VOX Dec 2012 #116

Is it liberal to disregard the double murderer who murdered JFK? cpwm17 Dec 2012 #124

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #141

People are murdered all of the time with guns cpwm17 Dec 2012 #144

Only manufactured evidence points to Oswald. MessiahRp Dec 2012 #150

Except he did. zappaman Dec 2012 #154

I've read a number of books on the subject. MessiahRp Dec 2012 #165

Bet I've read more than you. zappaman Dec 2012 #171

Extremely well said (n/t) Samantha Dec 2012 #168

Well...mmmmmaybe not so extremely well said, eh? zappaman Dec 2012 #220

How many Liberals were on the Warren Commission? Octafish Dec 2012 #213

No shit! Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #67

And one of his sons had a key 'security' role for the World Trade Center Matariki Dec 2012 #47

+1. Thanks for posting. I have that article saved, also. Mc Mike Dec 2012 #68

Eyes wide shut Jim Warren Dec 2012 #60

I'm surprised no one mentioned the Mick Jagger angle... JazzQuipster Dec 2012 #72

Best. Post. Of. The. Thread. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #74

It's even more amazing that some people believe LHO acted alone,.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #78

LHO's fingerprints and palm prints were found on the Mannlicher-Carcano coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #91

1) It wasn't the first rifle found after the assassination.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #133

Yes that bullshit was said by Roger Craig zappaman Dec 2012 #172

The Mauser and M-C both have a similar appearance to non-experts, according coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #183

The man who found the gun, Deputy Eugene Boone, signed a sworn affidavit.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #189

Yes, he continuely changed his story zappaman Dec 2012 #196

You know, I had forgotten about that Samantha Dec 2012 #170

It was in the early reports.... jberryhill Dec 2012 #277

"JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters" is the best book Peace Patriot Dec 2012 #100

Yes. Also the newly released "Destiny Betrayed"... MinM Dec 2012 #120

Chapter 3: Bay of Pigs: Kennedy v Dulles MinM Dec 2012 #279

Well Said Stewland Dec 2012 #146

Thank you for this very informative post -- another reputable book I have on my list to read Samantha Dec 2012 #174

I still have doubts about LBJ, too, which Douglass does not put to rest. Peace Patriot Dec 2012 #191

I haven't read James Douglass book reteachinwi Dec 2012 #175

James Douglass' book is an excellent resource, and not just about the assassination! LongTomH Dec 2012 #186

don`t forget 8 yrs of running reagan`s presidency madrchsod Dec 2012 #106

And what of Hinckley's assassination attempt on Reagan? KansDem Dec 2012 #119

yup..... madrchsod Dec 2012 #129

That entire cartel of fascist pigs are evil... santamargarita Dec 2012 #109

SMH Mr Dixon Dec 2012 #117

Why is it robbob Dec 2012 #125

I find it interesting that some assert that conspiracies never happen. Or just not in the USA. KittyWampus Dec 2012 #131

Yep....no conspiracy involved in the assassination of Lincoln, or the attempted coup..... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #140

No one, including Bugliosi and his defenders here myself included, denies that coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #209

Yeah...I guess the House Select Committee on Assassinations got it all wrong in 1978.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #217

Good one! zappaman Dec 2012 #221

Because the Warren Commission apologists have no answer to Hunt's confession, and.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #138

There are a series of claims in the OP (which is copied from an entry on coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #208

Here's what I found on Wikipedia, which is consistent with what you found: cpwm17 Dec 2012 #210

" One needs much more than the second hand account of one person" zappaman Dec 2012 #212

Yes, blaming the innocent and excusing the guilty is all the rage for some in this thread. n/t cpwm17 Dec 2012 #215

Saint John Hunt green for victory Dec 2012 #216

EHH's deathbed confession is plausible, since it came from a 1st hand acct... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #242

Howard Hunt had such a good reputation for telling the truth jberryhill Dec 2012 #278

Showtime - Oliver Stone Series benld74 Dec 2012 #126

I'm enjoying that series, too. Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #192

Have you ever watched avebury Dec 2012 #134

k & freakin r! nt wildbilln864 Dec 2012 #156

By (temporarily) ignoring 3 nay-saying post-ers here Mc Mike Jan 2013 #293