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49. Indeed...they still think we should "have a 'reasonable' conversation" with them

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 08:47 PM

Dec 2012

Fuck them. Their supposed 'reasonable' and 'constructive" conversations are nothing but stalling techniques: utter bullshit from ideological assholes. Oh, then there are the sob stories about when they bought their first gun. Fuck you and your bullshit story, I say. Oh, the "emotionalism!" Emotionalism is their code word for people finally being fed up with their bullshit - their whole strategy is to wear you down and make you indifferent, while their ridiculous hobby causes a public health crisis. Minutia. Extended discussions of firing pins and synthetic stocks, as if their technological knowledge is some kind of trump card. Statistical trends that mean nothing while we continue to bury our children. Propaganda directly from the gun manufacturers.

I'm done fucking "conversing" with these fuckers. And so should you be. We don't need a "national conversation." We need a long term movement and short term goals to solve a public health crisis, whether the people causing it like it or not.

Oh, but you're only hurting your own side! they squeal like the fucking pigs they are. We'll fucking see, assholes.

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All hope is lost. DU gun debate shows that America isn't ready for real reform. [View all] rgbecker Dec 2012 OP

fudr trolls most of them, they have GOP memes down pat uponit7771 Dec 2012 #1

Exactly....... FarPoint Dec 2012 #27

Yeah AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #124

I've never been asked to serve on as many DU juries because of the gun "fans" being sensitive. Michigan Alum Jan 2013 #130

What gets me AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #157

tend to agree dembotoz Dec 2012 #2

Disagree. The NRA's power is an illusion and as the People are now awakened change will come. Scuba Dec 2012 #3

part illusion and part bribes! farminator3000 Dec 2012 #5

I think ban on sale of high capacity magazines is doable as is extending database surveillance HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #6

I suspect the NRA's intransigence on this topic will result in a backlash that goes far beyond ... Scuba Dec 2012 #10

Indeed, correct. shintao Dec 2012 #17

It really isn't about 2A or mental illness or securing schools Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #55

It already has been turned over to emotions ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #4

there is no dialog as there seems to be extremes on both sides loli phabay Dec 2012 #9

I think intentionally colorful language is often inflammatory for combustible topics. HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #28

With respect, opinions like yours are a huge part of the problem Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #64

Yep laundry_queen Dec 2012 #75

no my guns like my cars are tools that i use everyday. both have the ability to be misused loli phabay Dec 2012 #92

If you see cars and guns as the same, maybe you should have neither Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #95

my cars transport me and my guns feed me and allow me to protect my crops and livestock loli phabay Dec 2012 #96

Exactly. One transports you and the other kills for you. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #97

so its still a tool like my vehicles and both can be dangerous if misused loli phabay Dec 2012 #98

Of course it's a tool. A killing tool Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #99

no its a tool i use to kill stuff with and they do it well loli phabay Dec 2012 #100

I have no argument with any of that. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #105

well seeing as i see more deaths and injuries involving cars and the idiotic stuff people do loli phabay Dec 2012 #108

No, because your point is fallacious. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #113

A car is a tool which requires a license rbixby Dec 2012 #106

depends on the rules governing it. still not going to stop criminals though loli phabay Dec 2012 #110

Makes 'em easier to find though rbixby Dec 2012 #116

Wow. Looks like you agree with the republicans Kingofalldems Jan 2013 #139

Criminals steal cars all the time, but few criminals use cars for killing sprees. Erose999 Jan 2013 #155

It's all subjective. Crackinrocket Dec 2012 #111

Actually, it isn't subjective. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #118

And when cars aren't used correctly and people die you just say rl6214 Jan 2013 #133

Cars run on petroleum. Our addiction to that kills a lot more people than our addiction to guns Recursion Jan 2013 #147

2 wrongs don't make a right Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #156

A gun is not a tool. It is designed to kill. Kingofalldems Jan 2013 #120

Right. Emotion has no place in this debate. baldguy Jan 2013 #143

what discussion? backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #7

This is what I've seen. I do not own guns but know people who hunt for food they need KittyWampus Dec 2012 #14

yup and basing laws on emotions has always worked out well loli phabay Dec 2012 #15

It isn't only about gun owners atreides1 Dec 2012 #72

You summed it up.nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #150

+1000 SpartanDem Dec 2012 #62

in a country of 300+million the nra has less the 4 million members.... spanone Dec 2012 #8

+1 Scuba Dec 2012 #12

The majority of the 80 million gun owners do not belong to the NRA but ... spin Dec 2012 #83

if nothing else we'll prob get a modest AWB and a ban on high cap clips NightWatcher Dec 2012 #11

And the problem is,,,,,,,,,,, shintao Dec 2012 #21

I believe you are correct, Jenoch Dec 2012 #25

Where are the votes for it? LAGC Dec 2012 #85

He didn't stop to reload, he stopped when his gun jammed because of rl6214 Jan 2013 #134

The level of discourse? I've seen perfectly reasonable gun owners virtually lynched here on DU. KittyWampus Dec 2012 #13

I've been afraid to even post an opinion. OnionPatch Dec 2012 #34

There are lots we can and should do in addition to gun control. morningfog Dec 2012 #48

I don't oppose gun control at all! OnionPatch Dec 2012 #89

And those are fringe nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #91

Really? Straw Man Jan 2013 #121

Yes, they are very vocal, but seriously nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #125

People like NB here are much more common but much less vocal Recursion Jan 2013 #141

certain guns are mass killing mechanisms G_j Dec 2012 #16

Thanks for this cheerful, helpful post. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #18

You're tossing it all in based on a biased, poorly representative sample MadHound Dec 2012 #19

The movie idea is the worst thing we could do... ecstatic Dec 2012 #20

There doesn't have to be a next one: Secure Schools nt. shintao Dec 2012 #22

When a child witnesses a real life HockeyMom Jan 2013 #151

I started a thread asking about taking guns from law enforcement officers. closeupready Dec 2012 #23

It is highly likely that Jenoch Dec 2012 #35

I'd appreciate it if you'd stop making assumptions about me. closeupready Dec 2012 #40

so you think gun owners should take a six month training course like cops do? And have their bettyellen Dec 2012 #44

DU runs on emotions. rrneck Dec 2012 #24

Circumvent the 2nd Amendment crap.....the best idea I've heard is to TheDebbieDee Dec 2012 #26

that's not circumventing, that's infringing on 2nd Amendment. closeupready Dec 2012 #29

But it's legal and wouldn't involve amending the constitution....... TheDebbieDee Dec 2012 #30

Making 'ammo' unaffordable through government taxation infringes on the 2nd Amendment. closeupready Dec 2012 #32

As I said before, taxing ammo doesn't infringe on one's right to bear arms in the least. TheDebbieDee Dec 2012 #33

You're not just taxing it, you're are taxing it to make it unaffordable. closeupready Dec 2012 #41

Try it. Get legal advice. Form a group. Read 24A. Wait for a SCOTUS ruling. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #152

That is the stupidest idea I ever heard, make it so only the rich can buy ammo. Some people doc03 Dec 2012 #37

You cant do that backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #80

People would just reload their own ammo. LAGC Dec 2012 #86

I bought a new reloading press tonight that will reload 700 rds per hour rl6214 Jan 2013 #135

The Gun Debate on DU is Not Different Than Other Major Issues Indykatie Dec 2012 #31

And DU is likely much more ready to embrace increase restrictions than the general public. aikoaiko Dec 2012 #36

I know. Check out all the defenders of Dick Gregory. Zax2me Dec 2012 #38

Hope is not lost etherealtruth Dec 2012 #39

For all this talk about "having a conversation" about gun laws in America... derby378 Dec 2012 #42

Utter fucking bullshit. You oppose the most important morningfog Dec 2012 #47

I'm not willing to negotiate our rights away, that is correct derby378 Dec 2012 #51

You are blocking the evolution. morningfog Dec 2012 #57

When in doubt, belittle the opposition derby378 Dec 2012 #60

It was to ridicule the obscene value your ilk give them. morningfog Dec 2012 #63

Nice to know that you have the ability to tell me what my "rights" and "needs" are derby378 Dec 2012 #67

You'd better get busy nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #52

If you're talking about Feinstein's upcoming bill, I don't think it'll gain much traction derby378 Dec 2012 #58

Actually talking the Presidential Commision nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #70

Don't count on it. LAGC Dec 2012 #87

So after a few more mass shootings a march on DC is in order nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #90

Why tie a ban on high-cap mags to a ban on rifles with pistol grips? Recursion Jan 2013 #142

DU gun debate shows Uhhhhhmmerican adults are barely ready for coloring books datasuspect Dec 2012 #43

The reason debate is so difficult is because the issue is already very emotional. ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #45

Fuck the regressive obstructionist anti-regulators. morningfog Dec 2012 #46

Indeed...they still think we should "have a 'reasonable' conversation" with them alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #49

posts like this are why I quit bothering to try backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #81

yup i figure its no point even trying to talk anymore. so i will wait and see what pols say what loli phabay Dec 2012 #93

Boy, if any post is ripe for "shill payment" it is you's. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #153

A nice example of an "adult conversation" here on DU .... oldhippie Dec 2012 #104

And just duke it out? Or bar the anti-Dem/anti-safety/anti-regulators? morningfog Dec 2012 #114

Yup. Just proves the OP's point ... oldhippie Dec 2012 #115

Bullshit. The NRA and its fans obstruct it. morningfog Dec 2012 #117

And if the republicans said the same thing about abortions or gay rights rl6214 Jan 2013 #136

Repubs are the regressive obstructionists. morningfog Jan 2013 #145

That's a remarkably dangerous position to take. Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #146

When a party proves themselves effective at implementing their objectives, their support grows morningfog Jan 2013 #148

Turn the whole thing over to the emotions. ileus Dec 2012 #50

According to a story on a local TV station here in Ohio Boomerproud Dec 2012 #53

Clearly irresponisble people signing up. Riftaxe Dec 2012 #84

America isn't ready for real reform in any direction. Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #54

Exactly what would be your recommended suggestion and how many less gun deaths do you think it would dkf Dec 2012 #56

We need to stop using weasel words Taverner Dec 2012 #59

Kinda looks like donco Dec 2012 #61

lots of ignorance and cowardice in America Skittles Dec 2012 #65

The anti-gun movement is having an opposite effect ...record sales of guns and ammo. L0oniX Dec 2012 #66

I like the idea of a gun safety course derby378 Dec 2012 #69

You have to take a drivers course to get a license so I don't think it would be that bad to require L0oniX Dec 2012 #73

psych tests? backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #82

The gov didn't pay for my psych test when I went thru security guard training. L0oniX Dec 2012 #94

There's no guaranteed right to be a security guard n/t Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #131

This is probably the best idea. Crackinrocket Dec 2012 #109

As soon answer also get a mandatory psych test before voting rl6214 Jan 2013 #137

Niether America nor DU, as a whole, is ready for an honest and sincere discussion Skip Intro Dec 2012 #68

you can't really have conversations with most people anymore datasuspect Dec 2012 #71

The Sky Is Falling !!!!!! H2O Man Dec 2012 #74

That is what I have been saying all along. 20 dead first graders isnt enough to break through stevenleser Dec 2012 #76

In my view, anyone who advocates using assault weapons for hunting ... Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #77

bullshit. we're just talking here. nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #78

"DU gun debate shows that America isn't ready for real reform." Jim Warren Dec 2012 #79

The main problem is JoeyT Dec 2012 #88

Reasonable people can differ on what effective gun control means. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #101

Effective gun control is this: Crackinrocket Dec 2012 #107

But how does that translate into procedures? The devil is always in the details, isn't it? Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #112

You can always join IGNOREFEST 2012-2013 AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #102

A lot of people on our side want to avoid bringing those Sandy Hook victims TheDebbieDee Dec 2012 #103

What is your definition of real reform? LP2K12 Dec 2012 #119

My ass DainBramaged Jan 2013 #122

Ladies and gentlemen ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #123

Right, you wouldn't BE HERE if we didn't have an NRA stooge forum DainBramaged Jan 2013 #127

Sorry, man ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #129

Who wouldn't be here? LP2K12 Jan 2013 #138

This all sounds eminently reasonable, and I thank you for your contribution. Dems to Win Jan 2013 #132

Agreed. LP2K12 Jan 2013 #140

DU is not a microcosm of America, and the Gungeon is loaded with wingnut trolls and people who just MADem Jan 2013 #126

did you think america is actually ready to do something? madrchsod Jan 2013 #128

DU is not a representative sample of America Hippo_Tron Jan 2013 #144

NEITHER side wants intelligent discourse. Douva Jan 2013 #149

I don't think DU is particularly representative of "America". We're a trolling destination for all Erose999 Jan 2013 #154