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EarlG

(23,419 posts)
15. My argument is that actually impeaching him again is a mistake
Sat Jan 17, 2026, 12:46 PM
23 hrs ago

My evidence is that we already tried it twice, and the effect in both cases was that Trump was acquitted by the Senate, which then allowed him to sell the lie that he had been exonerated and was innocent.

Repeatedly holding impeachment trials at the end of each mini-investigation would, IMO, give the impression of banging one's head against a wall. Each trial would quickly end with Senate Republicans acquitting Trump. Each time that happened, Trump would say, "They held an investigation, and I've been exonerated!" Senate Republicans would say, "When are we going to end this partisan nonsense and get back to working for the American people?"

And each time that happened, the Democrats' will to continue would wane. I can picture the pundits now: "How long are Democrats going to keep up this useless endeavor? Why are they wasting everyone's time?" It's inevitable that some Democrats would quickly give up and start reinforcing the Republicans' message that "We should get back to work for the American people" -- we've seen this kind of thing time and again. Those Democrats would be immediately attacked by more activist Democrats, which would give the impression of a party in disarray, trying to enact a strategy they disagreed on. Not only would each impeachment trial give Trump the opportunity to claim innocence, it would increase the chance that Democrats would damage themselves with infighting and accusations of spinelessness.

I don't disagree that we need to do the right thing. But in this case I believe that the right thing to do is, "whatever we can to politically damage Trump and Republicans to the point that this kind of government corruption and criminality is not seen again for generations." Trump has given us all the ammunition we need -- we just need to use it correctly.

So in that regard, and to your points, I definitely agree that:

1) As well as these impeachment investigations, Democrats should also pass bills seeking to reverse the damage of the first two years. A dual track of anti-corruption bills plus impeachment investigations (which highlight the crimes we need the anti-corruption bills for) would, I think, be highly effective.

2) Cabinet officials and advisers like Stephen Miller should definitely get dragged into this as much as possible. The entire regime needs to be held responsible for what's going on. And cabinet officials are notably not granted the same immunity from criminal prosecution that the president is. They would have more incentive to turn on each other. No doubt they would all claim "executive privilege"/Fifth Amendment etc. to try to dodge accountability, but that's fine -- let them do it. It'll just look like they are engaged in a cover-up.

3) This would have the likely effect of dragging JD Vance through the mud while he's trying to prep a run for president. "Four more years of Trumpian criminality without Trump" might not be the best message in 2028.

4) And finally, as a sweetener: I've stated flatly that there is no way in hell that Senate Republicans would vote to actually convict Trump. But maybe, just maybe, after months upon months of televised crime-of-the-week hearings, some of those Republicans might actually start to come around. And maybe, if the damage becomes bad enough, and Trump continues his mental decline, and is seen as a clear liability for the party, then there might eventually be enough of those Republicans to actually convict. If and when that time ever comes, and there is clear back-channeling from Senate Republican leadership that they're on board, then boom -- immediately end the investigations and hold the trial. By this point there will be more than enough evidence from all the investigations, and all that will be needed is a quick trial and conviction.

I like how you think, my dear EarlG! CaliforniaPeggy Yesterday #1
This approach has my vote. lamp_shade Yesterday #2
Brilliant! mahina Yesterday #3
I think people are really, really tired of Trump leftstreet Yesterday #4
Agreed!! And except for Fox - and maybe CBS now - Tadpole Raisin 23 hrs ago #5
Dems need to expose & investigate. poli-junkie 23 hrs ago #6
Why not both? Fiendish Thingy 23 hrs ago #7
My argument is that actually impeaching him again is a mistake EarlG 23 hrs ago #15
I think a solid drubbing in the midterms might make #4 more likely Fiendish Thingy 22 hrs ago #26
I Agree... It's a Dead End Waste of Precious Time Cha 16 hrs ago #61
My thoughts are, TSF would pardon bluestarone 22 hrs ago #23
Most excellent malaise 23 hrs ago #8
In the meantime, pray our asses off that he croaks fast. 3Hotdogs 23 hrs ago #9
I'm beginning to play Swan Lake music for my own morale RockCreek 22 hrs ago #32
Agreed, as it's unlikely the Senate would convict. It all relies on winning the House in the midterms surfered 23 hrs ago #10
Not sure if this is relevant orangecrush 23 hrs ago #11
Great idea! highplainsdem 23 hrs ago #12
If he allows the midterms. Blue Full Moon 23 hrs ago #13
He doesn't have a say in the matter. Nt Fiendish Thingy 22 hrs ago #27
Great strategy...I can get behind it. MiHale 23 hrs ago #14
Excellent post and suggestion. We could turn it into our Infrastructure Week. A new story every c-rational 23 hrs ago #16
I like this approach. Wear them down, wear them out. "AGAIN, you've been screwed by Trump!" each time he does it. CTyankee 22 hrs ago #18
It's almost tailor made for modern media EarlG 22 hrs ago #21
Ding ding ding...Bingo. Flood he zone and do not stop. c-rational 21 hrs ago #41
"Encourage popular podcasters to treat it like a crime drama with a new episode each week." liberalla 21 hrs ago #44
Moscow Mitch leaves office next year ... we need to wait until he's gone FakeNoose 23 hrs ago #17
His wife resigned on Jan 7th 3021, effective Jan 11th. RockCreek 22 hrs ago #35
I like it. Sorta like the drip, drip, drip of water torture. Joinfortmill 22 hrs ago #19
Dem economic plan, economic message, is immediately met with cries of: "Whatabout Impeachment!" "Whatabout ICE!" betsuni 22 hrs ago #20
There would be nothing to stop Democrats from EarlG 22 hrs ago #24
well-reasoned - thanks Earl. jmbar2 22 hrs ago #22
"It's clear to sane people that Trump is practically committing an impeachable offense per day at this point." mikelewis 22 hrs ago #25
K&R spanone 22 hrs ago #28
But would anyone besides MSNOW even cover it? milestogo 22 hrs ago #29
"But would anyone besides MSNOW even cover it?" BumRushDaShow 22 hrs ago #37
Yes! That will reach HUNDREDS of voters! Wednesdays 14 hrs ago #62
We refuse to buy our own media because we finger-wag about that putting us "in a bubble" BumRushDaShow 5 hrs ago #65
Good logic Earl G. And I didn't expect a conviction in the Senate, UNLESS no_hypocrisy 22 hrs ago #30
A New Trick gfarber 22 hrs ago #31
wow quaint 21 hrs ago #39
I fully agree with this WestMichRad 22 hrs ago #33
Democrats need to demonstrate they can lead in the right direction. So every time they speak BootinUp 22 hrs ago #34
"Impeachment Committee that is tasked with conducting a sweeping investigation" BumRushDaShow 22 hrs ago #36
Right I felt the J6 Committee was extremely effective. yellow dahlia 17 hrs ago #57
Best idea I've heard in quite awhile. KS Toronado 21 hrs ago #38
Either way, the Democratic Party continues to have a huge target and "KICK ME" sign on its back. Montauk6 21 hrs ago #40
Brilliant idea PLUS it's a great vehicle for recording all his/regime's crimes Wild blueberry 21 hrs ago #42
Impeachment is a waste of time RetiredParatrooper 21 hrs ago #43
And longer term - precedents downstream EarlG jfz9580m 21 hrs ago #45
This is great, as far as it goes... scipan 20 hrs ago #46
I agree that it would need to be a multi-pronged effort EarlG 19 hrs ago #49
I'm afraid I missed some of your replies. We're in agreement! Nt scipan 19 hrs ago #51
Great OP BTW. Really got me thinking. I can picture it, and it's kinda beautiful. scipan 19 hrs ago #54
Imagine some strong legislation to address thre Emoluments Caluse. yellow dahlia 17 hrs ago #58
A Committee is a great idea mcar 19 hrs ago #47
Great post (and thanks as always for the great site leadership). But, I still have the same question. OldBaldy1701E 19 hrs ago #48
I've mentioned in a couple of places in my OP, and in replies EarlG 19 hrs ago #50
You have a lot more faith in such a thing happening than I do, I guess. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E 18 hrs ago #55
I love the strategy dickthegrouch 19 hrs ago #52
I have no problem with Dems talking about impeachment... returnee 19 hrs ago #53
Great idea. Imagine how many more crimes will be perpetrated, yellow dahlia 17 hrs ago #56
I don't buy into accusations of TDS AZProgressive 16 hrs ago #59
Agreed... AntiFascist 16 hrs ago #60
Exactly! "Impeachment is a dead end." TygrBright 14 hrs ago #63
Yes!!!!! gristy 13 hrs ago #64
Sort of a Big Beautiful Impeachment Committee... Hugin 3 hrs ago #66
K & R BobsYourUncle 3 hrs ago #67
Plus... BobsYourUncle 3 hrs ago #68
They should also investigate timms139 2 hrs ago #69
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