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EarlG

(23,686 posts)
15. My argument is that actually impeaching him again is a mistake
Sat Jan 17, 2026, 01:46 PM
Jan 2026

My evidence is that we already tried it twice, and the effect in both cases was that Trump was acquitted by the Senate, which then allowed him to sell the lie that he had been exonerated and was innocent.

Repeatedly holding impeachment trials at the end of each mini-investigation would, IMO, give the impression of banging one's head against a wall. Each trial would quickly end with Senate Republicans acquitting Trump. Each time that happened, Trump would say, "They held an investigation, and I've been exonerated!" Senate Republicans would say, "When are we going to end this partisan nonsense and get back to working for the American people?"

And each time that happened, the Democrats' will to continue would wane. I can picture the pundits now: "How long are Democrats going to keep up this useless endeavor? Why are they wasting everyone's time?" It's inevitable that some Democrats would quickly give up and start reinforcing the Republicans' message that "We should get back to work for the American people" -- we've seen this kind of thing time and again. Those Democrats would be immediately attacked by more activist Democrats, which would give the impression of a party in disarray, trying to enact a strategy they disagreed on. Not only would each impeachment trial give Trump the opportunity to claim innocence, it would increase the chance that Democrats would damage themselves with infighting and accusations of spinelessness.

I don't disagree that we need to do the right thing. But in this case I believe that the right thing to do is, "whatever we can to politically damage Trump and Republicans to the point that this kind of government corruption and criminality is not seen again for generations." Trump has given us all the ammunition we need -- we just need to use it correctly.

So in that regard, and to your points, I definitely agree that:

1) As well as these impeachment investigations, Democrats should also pass bills seeking to reverse the damage of the first two years. A dual track of anti-corruption bills plus impeachment investigations (which highlight the crimes we need the anti-corruption bills for) would, I think, be highly effective.

2) Cabinet officials and advisers like Stephen Miller should definitely get dragged into this as much as possible. The entire regime needs to be held responsible for what's going on. And cabinet officials are notably not granted the same immunity from criminal prosecution that the president is. They would have more incentive to turn on each other. No doubt they would all claim "executive privilege"/Fifth Amendment etc. to try to dodge accountability, but that's fine -- let them do it. It'll just look like they are engaged in a cover-up.

3) This would have the likely effect of dragging JD Vance through the mud while he's trying to prep a run for president. "Four more years of Trumpian criminality without Trump" might not be the best message in 2028.

4) And finally, as a sweetener: I've stated flatly that there is no way in hell that Senate Republicans would vote to actually convict Trump. But maybe, just maybe, after months upon months of televised crime-of-the-week hearings, some of those Republicans might actually start to come around. And maybe, if the damage becomes bad enough, and Trump continues his mental decline, and is seen as a clear liability for the party, then there might eventually be enough of those Republicans to actually convict. If and when that time ever comes, and there is clear back-channeling from Senate Republican leadership that they're on board, then boom -- immediately end the investigations and hold the trial. By this point there will be more than enough evidence from all the investigations, and all that will be needed is a quick trial and conviction.

I like how you think, my dear EarlG! CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2026 #1
This approach has my vote. lamp_shade Jan 2026 #2
Brilliant! mahina Jan 2026 #3
I think people are really, really tired of Trump leftstreet Jan 2026 #4
Agreed!! And except for Fox - and maybe CBS now - Tadpole Raisin Jan 2026 #5
Dems need to expose & investigate. poli-junkie Jan 2026 #6
Why not both? Fiendish Thingy Jan 2026 #7
My argument is that actually impeaching him again is a mistake EarlG Jan 2026 #15
I think a solid drubbing in the midterms might make #4 more likely Fiendish Thingy Jan 2026 #26
I Agree... It's a Dead End Waste of Precious Time Cha Jan 2026 #61
My thoughts are, TSF would pardon bluestarone Jan 2026 #23
Most excellent malaise Jan 2026 #8
In the meantime, pray our asses off that he croaks fast. 3Hotdogs Jan 2026 #9
I'm beginning to play Swan Lake music for my own morale RockCreek Jan 2026 #32
Yep! Scott Alan Swaggerty Jan 2026 #72
Agreed, as it's unlikely the Senate would convict. It all relies on winning the House in the midterms surfered Jan 2026 #10
Not sure if this is relevant orangecrush Jan 2026 #11
Great idea! highplainsdem Jan 2026 #12
If he allows the midterms. Blue Full Moon Jan 2026 #13
He doesn't have a say in the matter. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jan 2026 #27
Great strategy...I can get behind it. MiHale Jan 2026 #14
Excellent post and suggestion. We could turn it into our Infrastructure Week. A new story every c-rational Jan 2026 #16
I like this approach. Wear them down, wear them out. "AGAIN, you've been screwed by Trump!" each time he does it. CTyankee Jan 2026 #18
It's almost tailor made for modern media EarlG Jan 2026 #21
Ding ding ding...Bingo. Flood he zone and do not stop. c-rational Jan 2026 #41
"Encourage popular podcasters to treat it like a crime drama with a new episode each week." liberalla Jan 2026 #44
Ooh, nice. Scott Alan Swaggerty Jan 2026 #75
Moscow Mitch leaves office next year ... we need to wait until he's gone FakeNoose Jan 2026 #17
His wife resigned on Jan 7th 3021, effective Jan 11th. RockCreek Jan 2026 #35
I like it. Sorta like the drip, drip, drip of water torture. Joinfortmill Jan 2026 #19
Dem economic plan, economic message, is immediately met with cries of: "Whatabout Impeachment!" "Whatabout ICE!" betsuni Jan 2026 #20
There would be nothing to stop Democrats from EarlG Jan 2026 #24
well-reasoned - thanks Earl. jmbar2 Jan 2026 #22
"It's clear to sane people that Trump is practically committing an impeachable offense per day at this point." mikelewis Jan 2026 #25
K&R spanone Jan 2026 #28
But would anyone besides MSNOW even cover it? milestogo Jan 2026 #29
"But would anyone besides MSNOW even cover it?" BumRushDaShow Jan 2026 #37
Yes! That will reach HUNDREDS of voters! Wednesdays Jan 2026 #62
We refuse to buy our own media because we finger-wag about that putting us "in a bubble" BumRushDaShow Jan 2026 #65
Good question! Scott Alan Swaggerty Jan 2026 #74
Good logic Earl G. And I didn't expect a conviction in the Senate, UNLESS no_hypocrisy Jan 2026 #30
A New Trick gfarber Jan 2026 #31
wow quaint Jan 2026 #39
I fully agree with this WestMichRad Jan 2026 #33
Democrats need to demonstrate they can lead in the right direction. So every time they speak BootinUp Jan 2026 #34
"Impeachment Committee that is tasked with conducting a sweeping investigation" BumRushDaShow Jan 2026 #36
Right I felt the J6 Committee was extremely effective. yellow dahlia Jan 2026 #57
Best idea I've heard in quite awhile. KS Toronado Jan 2026 #38
Either way, the Democratic Party continues to have a huge target and "KICK ME" sign on its back. Montauk6 Jan 2026 #40
Brilliant idea PLUS it's a great vehicle for recording all his/regime's crimes Wild blueberry Jan 2026 #42
Impeachment is a waste of time RetiredParatrooper Jan 2026 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Jan 2026 #45
This is great, as far as it goes... scipan Jan 2026 #46
I agree that it would need to be a multi-pronged effort EarlG Jan 2026 #49
I'm afraid I missed some of your replies. We're in agreement! Nt scipan Jan 2026 #51
Great OP BTW. Really got me thinking. I can picture it, and it's kinda beautiful. scipan Jan 2026 #54
Imagine some strong legislation to address thre Emoluments Caluse. yellow dahlia Jan 2026 #58
A Committee is a great idea mcar Jan 2026 #47
Great post (and thanks as always for the great site leadership). But, I still have the same question. OldBaldy1701E Jan 2026 #48
I've mentioned in a couple of places in my OP, and in replies EarlG Jan 2026 #50
You have a lot more faith in such a thing happening than I do, I guess. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Jan 2026 #55
I love the strategy dickthegrouch Jan 2026 #52
I have no problem with Dems talking about impeachment... returnee Jan 2026 #53
Great idea. Imagine how many more crimes will be perpetrated, yellow dahlia Jan 2026 #56
I don't buy into accusations of TDS AZProgressive Jan 2026 #59
Agreed... AntiFascist Jan 2026 #60
Exactly! "Impeachment is a dead end." TygrBright Jan 2026 #63
Yes!!!!! gristy Jan 2026 #64
Sort of a Big Beautiful Impeachment Committee... Hugin Jan 2026 #66
K & R BobsYourUncle Jan 2026 #67
Plus... BobsYourUncle Jan 2026 #68
They should also investigate timms139 Jan 2026 #69
Absolutely! Scott Alan Swaggerty Jan 2026 #71
K&R Scott Alan Swaggerty Jan 2026 #70
A realistic approach... kentuck Jan 2026 #73
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