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nadinbrzezinski

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80. Once again, the people who make

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:57 AM

Dec 2012

Those decisions are CIVILIANS...does the US military control the purse? No.

That be the US congress...Generals have told Congress we do not need the Osprey, we have the Chinook...

Congress imposed that piece of junk, not the commandant of the Marine Corp.

Yes, it is real...look at your civilians. A sergeant fills procurement paperwork, to maintain the shit Congress at times forces on the services to keep their friends in the mic happy. Or you think General so and so also decides that something like the Osprey needs 25 factories and components in almost every state? From a logistics POV that makes zero sense.

And if you missed the Falklands reference, that's ok. It was the Argentinian general staff that decided to go to war to try to save the Junta.

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At what point does military worship become dangerous? [View all] Taverner Dec 2012 OP

As soon as it begins Coyotl Dec 2012 #1

+1 CrispyQ Dec 2012 #37

+1 Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #41

+1 snot Dec 2012 #63

My First and Immediate Thought As Well ProfessorGAC Dec 2012 #106

Y'All beat me to it. Everyone should read the book ... panzerfaust Dec 2012 #112

Nailed it. nt LWolf Dec 2012 #131

In began in 1947. former9thward Dec 2012 #2

Yup. truebluegreen Dec 2012 #62

I remember seeing on facebook a billboard equating American soldiers to Jesus. I hid it in seconds. libinnyandia Dec 2012 #3

Gott Mitt Uns Taverner Dec 2012 #45

Yes: On the belt-buckle of the Wehrmacht panzerfaust Dec 2012 #116

Thanks for sharing!!! cliffordu Dec 2012 #160

Not every German uniform DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #157

If you quote Butler... Bigmack Dec 2012 #4

I like that , it took some guts to state that,.. anyway we have to find a way to cut SS. bahrbearian Dec 2012 #46

At what point does it become military worship? Confusious Dec 2012 #5

Calling someone a "hero" just because they wore a uniform is worship Taverner Dec 2012 #6

Is expecting people to be respectful in a cemetery worship? Confusious Dec 2012 #9

No but arresting someone for not doing it is Taverner Dec 2012 #10

Who was arrested? Confusious Dec 2012 #11

I think he is referring to the women who flipped off the guards at the tomb of the Unknown Soldier. white_wolf Dec 2012 #17

No she wasn't arrested Confusious Dec 2012 #19

I know she didn't get arrested, but it was discussed here Taverner Dec 2012 #22

It is her right, but it was in very poor taste Confusious Dec 2012 #27

Daniel was too a hero! DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #132

That annoys me. white_wolf Dec 2012 #12

Exactly , they are just like the rest of us. bahrbearian Dec 2012 #48

I never got that whole "served" thing NoOneMan Dec 2012 #77

It's not free DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #83

If you are in the Guard, you only put in one weekend a month blueamy66 Dec 2012 #123

Not exactly... DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #156

Like the other fellow said, you can die "on the job" Confusious Dec 2012 #84

You can die on any job NoOneMan Dec 2012 #86

But those jobs don't involve someone shooting at you. hobbit709 Dec 2012 #103

How about cops and firemen? blueamy66 Dec 2012 #124

But they can quit their jobs. hobbit709 Dec 2012 #129

With all contractual forms of employment, there are consequences for breaking an agreement NoOneMan Dec 2012 #139

Then the recruit should not have signed the enlistment papers. blueamy66 Dec 2012 #142

Easy to say when you're not in the situation. hobbit709 Dec 2012 #143

I respect the military....but I don't worship them. blueamy66 Dec 2012 #145

"it was the only economic future out of poverty" NoOneMan Dec 2012 #148

Cops and firemen DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #159

Military service, even in peacetime, involves sacrifice pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #87

Every job requires some level of sacrifice NoOneMan Dec 2012 #88

You're right. You are missing something here. nt pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #89

Its probably something super secret that only club members experience NoOneMan Dec 2012 #90

"Ego stroking"? pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #93

Oh my freakin' God.... diphthong Dec 2012 #97

Logically speaking, he has a valid point. Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #104

No, it's not a valid comparison at all pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #105

Absolute Truth panzerfaust Dec 2012 #119

Semper Fi, brother pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #122

You simply restated the criterion of harm in a more severe form. nt Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #130

Fishermen experience a mortality rate of ~120 per 100,000 NoOneMan Dec 2012 #136

That distinguishing criterion seems to be cultural NoOneMan Dec 2012 #135

Unfortunately so Taverner Dec 2012 #141

That may just be the single most despicable fucking post I've ever read at DU. 11 Bravo Dec 2012 #146

The illustrated visceral reaction to those who don't consider it "service" worthy of unique respect NoOneMan Dec 2012 #147

I don't consider anyone's service worthy of unique respect. 11 Bravo Dec 2012 #153

But you still consider this employment "service" apparently NoOneMan Dec 2012 #154

K&R NT DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #162

Absolute Bullshit: Serving in the military is not the same as serving at Denny's panzerfaust Dec 2012 #117

Welcome home, brother pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #128

Serving at McDonalds is not the same as serving at Denny's NoOneMan Dec 2012 #137

Gratitude and respect are not the same as worship. TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #7

They are not fighting for us Taverner Dec 2012 #8

Again, you can disagree with every military engagement they participate in-- TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #14

My respect goes to the Non-Combatiants bahrbearian Dec 2012 #49

The revolution, Civil war, WW1, WW2, Korea Confusious Dec 2012 #15

Yes Taverner Dec 2012 #20

It had nothing to with our freedom, but our actions Confusious Dec 2012 #23

Yes, otherwise it would have been a "dick move" Taverner Dec 2012 #26

Gotta question for ya: cliffordu Dec 2012 #30

I never killed anyone for anything, if that's what you're asking Taverner Dec 2012 #36

Your obsessive hatred of all things military and cliffordu Dec 2012 #57

Look - you can't compare today's military with the one you were in Taverner Dec 2012 #59

Let me spell it out for you Taverner Dec 2012 #60

Policy generates the machine. cliffordu Dec 2012 #64

Don't smear me with it either (NT) DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #158

Are you talking of the Argentinian General Staff? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #67

Dear Nadin... Taverner Dec 2012 #79

Once again, the people who make nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #80

+1 cliffordu malz Dec 2012 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #78

That isn't the soldiers fault lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #133

they aren't fighting for "us" or our "freedoms" datasuspect Dec 2012 #29

For me, it's the WILLINGNESS to serve that's more meaningful than the TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #38

"Those folks who volunteer keep my own kids from being drafted." datasuspect Dec 2012 #40

Sure it's selfish. That's why I'm grateful. I don't want my sons TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #72

gratitude and respect for doing the job they are paid to do? bowens43 Dec 2012 #69

You can quit any other job when it gets shitty--you can walk out that day. TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #73

So what? 99Forever Dec 2012 #111

+100 blueamy66 Dec 2012 #126

Yes. Nurses, teachers, firefighters all can quit if they don't like it. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #134

+1. Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #115

The all volunteer army reteachinwi Dec 2012 #13

not just the SS datasuspect Dec 2012 #16

I've seen it and yes...you are right Taverner Dec 2012 #18

you know there is a church you can join arely staircase Dec 2012 #21

OK now THIS is military worship, ladies and gentlemen Taverner Dec 2012 #25

Yep. I can't decide whether it is pathetic or frightening. white_wolf Dec 2012 #35

it is both arely staircase Dec 2012 #61

No one ever said anything about hating. white_wolf Dec 2012 #82

no, i consider people who post long op after long op arely staircase Dec 2012 #107

It's all about word count then...gotchya Taverner Dec 2012 #140

You never had much of a case to begin with Major Nikon Dec 2012 #66

thank you arely staircase Dec 2012 #108

nice circular argument arely staircase Dec 2012 #109

the vietnam vets in my family datasuspect Dec 2012 #24

I have a lot more respect for firefighters than I do cops. white_wolf Dec 2012 #28

i can respect anyone who deserves respect datasuspect Dec 2012 #31

Exactly - Respect is EARNED not given Taverner Dec 2012 #44

This was on our table at the diner this morning... catnhatnh Dec 2012 #32

Reichsketchup datasuspect Dec 2012 #33

Cool word coinage N/T catnhatnh Dec 2012 #34

I was at a Minnesota Twins game on the 4th of July in 2011 dflprincess Dec 2012 #58

Yes, a tagline on ketchup is *JUST LIKE* Nazi Germany Recursion Dec 2012 #99

About 2002 libodem Dec 2012 #39

You're a bit late out of the gate with this....you do know the military is at the start of a HUGE MADem Dec 2012 #42

Unless every overseas base is closed, it's never too late Taverner Dec 2012 #43

They'll never close all the lily pads, but they're downsizing a lot of them. MADem Dec 2012 #51

Draw Down ?? is that why the Defense Budget is goin UP ? bahrbearian Dec 2012 #50

Talk to the toys lobbyists. It's not personnel costs that are contributing to any increase. nt MADem Dec 2012 #52

Oh ,Ok it's the lobbyist fault not our elected Representatives. bahrbearian Dec 2012 #53

You can talk to them, too if you'd like. nt MADem Dec 2012 #76

Is there some way I can contact this Lobbyist ? Or will someone respond to our Polls. bahrbearian Dec 2012 #55

GE, General Dynamics, Boeing, etc--none of them are these "evil" folks in uniforms. MADem Dec 2012 #75

Nice dodge , I work for 2 of them, should I also promote them or bahrbearian Dec 2012 #85

Not a dodge at all, simply a familiarity with the appropriations process. MADem Dec 2012 #101

At about the same point that hatred for the military beomes stupidity. n/t RomneyLies Dec 2012 #47

I'm ag'in' worship period, but then I think respect & worship are mutually exclusive, 'cause you patrice Dec 2012 #54

When you call someone unpatriotic obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #56

as soon as society believes that military personal are more important bowens43 Dec 2012 #65

Probably about as soon as you have a standing army and definately when you have TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #68

when you only listen to the four star generals WooWooWoo Dec 2012 #70

What point?... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #71

I don't know - here - it seems.... Zax2me Dec 2012 #74

OK, then, from the point of view of a former ANG Airman DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #81

I wore brass, served in combat, and was wounded pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #91

unmarried marriage counselors DustyJoe Dec 2012 #118

As I posted in another thread, I hold my head high pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #125

You as well, Sir DissidentVoice Dec 2012 #155

Nazi Germany. Rex Dec 2012 #92

On what is the premise of 'miitary worship' based? nt pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #94

Ya kinda would like to see some links Rex Dec 2012 #95

Yeah, the OP is pretty much BS without support pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #96

As happens every time this comes up, the conversation is immediately turned away from Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #98

I don't think "the military" per se is really respected at all Recursion Dec 2012 #100

Around 1933 Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #102

At the point where retired military officers in these Florida communities begin Baitball Blogger Dec 2012 #110

The Vietnam war gave the military a huge black eye lunatica Dec 2012 #113

Patriotism is for fools! L0oniX Dec 2012 #149

Exactly. Taverner Dec 2012 #152

The "troops" and supporting them is not the problem. Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #114

It becomes REALLY dangerous when we have WARS to try out all our newly invented weapons. Auntie Bush Dec 2012 #121

I think Andorra has it about right. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #127

+100000000000000000000000000000 Taverner Dec 2012 #151

When it becomes institutionalized or profitable. nt rrneck Dec 2012 #138

The moment when "just following orders" becomes an acceptable excuse for violence. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #144

That would be now then.... Taverner Dec 2012 #150

See what happens? Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #161