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themaguffin

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40. I know that we are all experts & understand politics & Congress more than him, but what if...

Wed Jan 21, 2026, 06:04 PM

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... he and Democrats in office don't see this as the tactical fight to the end needed?

I mean, I get it. For him to do so is weak weak weak and there's no broader picture or fight or strategy in mind.

Carry on.

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Jeffries Won't Whip Vote Against ICE Funding [View all] Celerity 21 hrs ago OP

Maybe its time to pass the mantle sboatcar 21 hrs ago #1

Exactly why focusing just on age isn't a good strategy newdeal2 21 hrs ago #14

I have been skeptical of Jeffries from the start mr715 21 hrs ago #28

This message was self-deleted by its author helpisontheway 18 hrs ago #109

He is such a weak minority leader! I miss Pelosi!! Nt helpisontheway 18 hrs ago #111

Maybe it is time to pass the mantle to someone Who Is Strong. I want someone strong like Iron Man. Trueblue1968 17 hrs ago #121

Jeffries needs to hear from the nationwide Democratic rank-and-file voters---- like us! Jack Valentino 15 hrs ago #148

Jeffries has publicly announced that he will vote against ICE funding--- not a small thing, Jack Valentino 14 hrs ago #152

With friends like these.... JBTaurus83 21 hrs ago #2

WTF? leftstreet 21 hrs ago #3

So those attacking Jeffries a few weeks ago for not wanting to cut ICE funding were full of shit. W_HAMILTON 21 hrs ago #4

There are some JBTaurus83 21 hrs ago #7

And the ones attacking good Democrats are usually those who are in a place of privilege and won't get hurt regardless. W_HAMILTON 21 hrs ago #19

"Attacking good Democrats" mr715 21 hrs ago #23

And there is never anyone good enough -- funny how that works. W_HAMILTON 16 hrs ago #128

"These same people" mr715 16 hrs ago #129

The people who think Jeffries isn't good enough, Pelosi wasn't good enough... W_HAMILTON 16 hrs ago #133

Not all of those unfortunately...were good enough Melon 14 hrs ago #153

For anyone that thinks they weren't good enough, I don't want to hear a goddamn word about the hell we find ourselves in W_HAMILTON 1 hr ago #179

Wow these purity tests. nt mr715 46 min ago #183

You think voting for the Democrat and the only person that could have stopped all this from happening is a purity test? W_HAMILTON 24 min ago #184

I supported Pelosi, Hillary, Biden and Kamala. And my mind is open about Newsom. Scrivener7 3 hrs ago #172

What a bizarro world. Jeffries is almost always in lockstep with the vast majority of Democratic reps. W_HAMILTON 1 hr ago #180

Yes, Pelosi was accused of personally preventing an impeachment vote because of devious personal reasons. betsuni 15 hrs ago #143

I was a huge Pelosi supporter JBTaurus83 14 hrs ago #149

I forgot the constant hysteria that 10,000-year-old Pelosi was clinging to power, would never ever never retire betsuni 12 hrs ago #161

I was a big Hillary and Kamala JBTaurus83 20 hrs ago #42

A woman was shot in the face mr715 20 hrs ago #44

I agree with you JBTaurus83 20 hrs ago #47

Oh I know, I'm just coming in hot. mr715 20 hrs ago #51

Heh, I doubt even a Xanax would work on me. OldBaldy1701E 4 hrs ago #167

And the problem is that to help them we have to hurt even more people. W_HAMILTON 16 hrs ago #136

If you won't stand up for the lives of your fellow citizens iemanja 16 hrs ago #138

Stand up for them before it gets to the point where standing up for them does nothing. W_HAMILTON 15 hrs ago #140

Hitler succeeded because good people failed to act. iemanja 15 hrs ago #144

Yeah, and those """good people""" failed to act when they let Trump seize power.... W_HAMILTON 15 hrs ago #146

Your pique about the past is blinding you to the urgency of the present. No one here voted for trump. Scrivener7 3 hrs ago #174

My pique for the past was once the urgency of the present. W_HAMILTON 1 hr ago #181

And everyone here votes for the Democrats. But for some reason you insist on acting Scrivener7 4 min ago #185

Or he's feeling pressure from the base EdmondDantes_ 21 hrs ago #27

The base wouldn't want him to fight back? SergeStorms 20 hrs ago #59

That's what I mean EdmondDantes_ 20 hrs ago #67

Depends on which "base"... slightlv 19 hrs ago #91

Given how we've seen this play out before, I can. W_HAMILTON 16 hrs ago #130

Thoughts don't matter iemanja 16 hrs ago #131

And if people had supported good Democrats instead of nitpicking them from office, we wouldn't have that problem. W_HAMILTON 16 hrs ago #137

Nor as long as Democrats don't act iemanja 16 hrs ago #139

Fuck that. A Democrat """not acting""" is still better than the best Republican. W_HAMILTON 15 hrs ago #141

So you won't bother making a phone call? iemanja 15 hrs ago #142

No, because I don't buy into the conspiracy that Democraric leadership fucking wants ICE ravaging our streets. W_HAMILTON 15 hrs ago #145

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You sound like you should get out of your mother's basement and get a job. Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #9

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Pretty sure it's Library Girl Emile 21 hrs ago #24

Ah! Of course. Such a pitiful creature. Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #25

She gone for now Emile 21 hrs ago #29

That happened quickly. mr715 21 hrs ago #32

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LG you back so soon? Emile 20 hrs ago #49

Three times a charm?! sheshe2 20 hrs ago #52

LOL , she is a Weirdo. Emile 20 hrs ago #54

She sure took a sprint through this thread. 🤪 sheshe2 20 hrs ago #58

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Darn, I missed all the fun. Was our old friend lg on a tear again? niyad 19 hrs ago #81

hmmm, I have seen that user name several other places on youtube. niyad 19 hrs ago #83

Jesus. It's because "they're terrified of being labeled anti law enforcement." While a rogue militia Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #8

If he were to be elected Speaker, he'd control the agenda. mr715 21 hrs ago #20

I advise to have ZERO expectations if he becomes speaker. More foot dragging Bread and Circuses 21 hrs ago #38

We can't get much without Trump... mr715 20 hrs ago #41

Why can't another Rep, (AOC, Crow, Frost. or?) challenge Jeffries' Ars Longa 20 hrs ago #45

They can. mr715 20 hrs ago #48

And people lament that the party's approval rating is poor... RockRaven 21 hrs ago #12

Oo! Oo! I know!! mr715 20 hrs ago #50

Wait-a-sec... mr715 21 hrs ago #16

While I'd much prefer they be more forceful I understand the hesitation EdmondDantes_ 21 hrs ago #17

That's terrible. H2O Man 21 hrs ago #18

Without strong leadership we are sunk. Nanjeanne 21 hrs ago #26

Uh huh. mr715 21 hrs ago #30

He doesn't care. These are bench warmers , at best Bread and Circuses 21 hrs ago #35

He could be a competent back bencher mr715 21 hrs ago #39

We've fallen through the Ice. No one to help us Bread and Circuses 21 hrs ago #37

My guess is SocialDemocrat61 21 hrs ago #31

That's exactly it. Quiet Em 20 hrs ago #53

If you're a democratic rep SocialDemocrat61 20 hrs ago #57

So let 'em! mr715 20 hrs ago #60

Most people in R+24 districts SocialDemocrat61 20 hrs ago #61

Why broadcast it!? mr715 20 hrs ago #63

He probably already knows that a number of Democrats SocialDemocrat61 19 hrs ago #71

100% Wrong mr715 19 hrs ago #73

He is letting Democrats vote how they want SocialDemocrat61 19 hrs ago #74

No. mr715 19 hrs ago #75

If you want to see ICE held accountable SocialDemocrat61 19 hrs ago #76

Yes, there is. mr715 19 hrs ago #84

No there isn't SocialDemocrat61 19 hrs ago #87

We very much disagree. nt mr715 19 hrs ago #90

Yes we do SocialDemocrat61 18 hrs ago #98

But I don't think you improve your chances of winning control of congress by not fighting such an important issue crimycarny 18 hrs ago #106

Rather than read a room SocialDemocrat61 18 hrs ago #112

We can disagree without disparaging either other, can't we? crimycarny 18 hrs ago #114

I was implying nothing personal SocialDemocrat61 18 hrs ago #116

Abolishing ICE versus not extra funding crimycarny 17 hrs ago #118

Funding ICE is not the same as SocialDemocrat61 15 hrs ago #147

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree crimycarny 14 hrs ago #154

Either way it's irrelevant SocialDemocrat61 14 hrs ago #155

I don't think for those in Minnesota see a yes vote for the ICE funding as irrelevant crimycarny 14 hrs ago #157

It's irrelevant because it will pass anyway SocialDemocrat61 14 hrs ago #158

Certainly worked great in 2024 crimycarny 13 hrs ago #159

Why not stick to the issue at hand SocialDemocrat61 13 hrs ago #160

Then let us resign ourselves mr715 4 hrs ago #168

I'm not a member of Congress SocialDemocrat61 4 hrs ago #169

Too bad they can't learn from the Repukes when they were out of power LearnedHand 18 hrs ago #115

Yet democrats are leading in the polls SocialDemocrat61 17 hrs ago #117

Talk about NOT meeting the moment. Bread and Circuses 21 hrs ago #33

Not leading? Not following? Choose option C. Maru Kitteh 21 hrs ago #34

Lets get real zen about our position on murder. mr715 20 hrs ago #43

Our masked racist militia needs better training LuvLoogie 21 hrs ago #36

I know that we are all experts & understand politics & Congress more than him, but what if... themaguffin 20 hrs ago #40

Whatever that larger strategy is, it's painfully clear it's not working. Scrivener7 19 hrs ago #89

Not every strategy is an action in the moment. Look, I would love for them to... themaguffin 5 hrs ago #165

I think all of us can look at the results of his continuous selection of the weakest possible response to a given Scrivener7 3 hrs ago #171

Again, they to do whatever is that they actually can do. I'm referring to more than words themaguffin 3 hrs ago #173

What does it hurt if we stand united for the obvious right and moral thing, even if we don't win? Scrivener7 3 hrs ago #175

I didn't say otherwise. That wasn't my point themaguffin 3 hrs ago #176

So how does this "whip" work? MorbidButterflyTat 20 hrs ago #62

For some folks, performative outage is the entire show. tritsofme 19 hrs ago #79

Here you go: Scrivener7 19 hrs ago #93

When impeachment rolls around... mr715 18 hrs ago #99

Gotta be some stupid bug Timewas 20 hrs ago #64

I consider this a litmus test KT2000 20 hrs ago #65

It has been (at least) one public murder. mr715 19 hrs ago #68

Are there issues for which he will whip votes? hatrack 20 hrs ago #66

On bills denouncing the horrors of socialism... nt mr715 19 hrs ago #69

Seriously. If this isn't important enough to him, I truly wonder what is. Scrivener7 18 hrs ago #94

Precisely. If you won't oppose this, why have an "Opposition"? hatrack 18 hrs ago #97

"Presidents come presidents go. And through it all God is still on his throne" Autumn 4 hrs ago #166

WEAK Renew Deal 19 hrs ago #70

This is why the country's political system is a failure fujiyamasan 19 hrs ago #72

What??? Why???!! AllyCat 19 hrs ago #77

HERE is a house leader. usonian 19 hrs ago #78

I wonder if Nancy is going along with this, or if behind the scenes, Ars Longa 19 hrs ago #86

Watch how she votes. But we know how she'll vote. mr715 19 hrs ago #92

I hope H.Jeffries is listening to Nancy behind the scenes.. Ars Longa 18 hrs ago #104

When did it get to the point that it's acceptable BlueKota 19 hrs ago #80

Great post. Scrivener7 18 hrs ago #96

Thank you! BlueKota 17 hrs ago #124

Maybe European leaders learned from Neville Chamnerlain. usonian 18 hrs ago #113

It's sad how many people in this country BlueKota 17 hrs ago #125

It only "proves" to them their "rightness" of their cause, and the gullibility of others. usonian 16 hrs ago #135

Well said, and I agree Bayard 17 hrs ago #127

There it is.. Cirsium 19 hrs ago #82

Is he daring any Democrats to vote for the DHS bill? patphil 19 hrs ago #85

"They're terrified of being labeled anti-law enforcement," rather than doing the right thing Mr. Sparkle 19 hrs ago #88

We will be a perpetual minority mr715 18 hrs ago #95

Well stated!!!!! Scubamatt 17 hrs ago #123

This is not law enforcement. BarbD 18 hrs ago #103

Come on down to Crazy Atacama's! Sympthsical 18 hrs ago #100

"Defeat from the jaws of victory" nt mr715 18 hrs ago #102

We need a House leader who walks the walk. La Coliniere 18 hrs ago #101

He is afraid to whip votes against the DHS funding bill because it would look like dems are anti-ICE. mysteryowl 18 hrs ago #105

Any Democrat who isn't anti-ICE mr715 18 hrs ago #108

I hope he is primaried SheltieLover 18 hrs ago #107

Primaries are good and healthy mr715 18 hrs ago #110

Even AOC and Mamdani discouraged primarying him. W_HAMILTON 56 min ago #182

Defunding isn't just for ICE, it's for DHS as a whole Warpy 17 hrs ago #119

From another source: littlemissmartypants 17 hrs ago #120

Pathetic . . . Scubamatt 17 hrs ago #122

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Oh heck, the headline doesn't get me worked up in a frothy hate at Democrats -- not sure why I should despise Jeffries. betsuni 16 hrs ago #132

Trump has unleashed a Gestapo that is killing us iemanja 16 hrs ago #134

Don't worry just let the rich leadership fix it JBTaurus83 14 hrs ago #150

Sorry, I'm Through with Him and All the Rest of the D Leadership The Roux Comes First 14 hrs ago #151

Hakeem goes the Schumer playbook Sewa 9 hrs ago #162

It's the job of elected officials.... returnee 6 hrs ago #163

Of course he won't. nt Autumn 5 hrs ago #164

Maybe because he wants to win the House gulliver 3 hrs ago #170

"Emotion first"!? iemanja 2 hrs ago #178

usonian has a thread of action items, including a phone # to call Jeffries and tell him to whip this damn thing. Scrivener7 2 hrs ago #177