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mr715

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60. So let 'em!

Wed Jan 21, 2026, 06:39 PM

13 hrs ago

Let them vote however they want to vote. But the Democratic LEADER should not be the one providing that permission structure.

Do you think people in R+24 districts have a favorable opinion of Rep. Jeffries? Do you think they need political cover from him?

The answer is no.

All this does is establish the fact that Democratic leadership tries at every opportunity to take multiple sides of an issue that has only one side.

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Jeffries Won't Whip Vote Against ICE Funding [View all] Celerity 14 hrs ago OP

Maybe its time to pass the mantle sboatcar 14 hrs ago #1

Exactly why focusing just on age isn't a good strategy newdeal2 14 hrs ago #14

I have been skeptical of Jeffries from the start mr715 14 hrs ago #28

This message was self-deleted by its author helpisontheway 11 hrs ago #109

He is such a weak minority leader! I miss Pelosi!! Nt helpisontheway 11 hrs ago #111

Maybe it is time to pass the mantle to someone Who Is Strong. I want someone strong like Iron Man. Trueblue1968 10 hrs ago #121

Jeffries needs to hear from the nationwide Democratic rank-and-file voters---- like us! Jack Valentino 8 hrs ago #148

Jeffries has publicly announced that he will vote against ICE funding--- not a small thing, Jack Valentino 7 hrs ago #152

With friends like these.... JBTaurus83 14 hrs ago #2

WTF? leftstreet 14 hrs ago #3

So those attacking Jeffries a few weeks ago for not wanting to cut ICE funding were full of shit. W_HAMILTON 14 hrs ago #4

There are some JBTaurus83 14 hrs ago #7

And the ones attacking good Democrats are usually those who are in a place of privilege and won't get hurt regardless. W_HAMILTON 14 hrs ago #19

"Attacking good Democrats" mr715 14 hrs ago #23

And there is never anyone good enough -- funny how that works. W_HAMILTON 9 hrs ago #128

"These same people" mr715 9 hrs ago #129

The people who think Jeffries isn't good enough, Pelosi wasn't good enough... W_HAMILTON 9 hrs ago #133

Not all of those unfortunately...were good enough Melon 7 hrs ago #153

Yes, Pelosi was accused of personally preventing an impeachment vote because of devious personal reasons. betsuni 8 hrs ago #143

I was a huge Pelosi supporter JBTaurus83 7 hrs ago #149

I forgot the constant hysteria that 10,000-year-old Pelosi was clinging to power, would never ever never retire betsuni 5 hrs ago #161

I was a big Hillary and Kamala JBTaurus83 13 hrs ago #42

A woman was shot in the face mr715 13 hrs ago #44

I agree with you JBTaurus83 13 hrs ago #47

Oh I know, I'm just coming in hot. mr715 13 hrs ago #51

And the problem is that to help them we have to hurt even more people. W_HAMILTON 9 hrs ago #136

If you won't stand up for the lives of your fellow citizens iemanja 9 hrs ago #138

Stand up for them before it gets to the point where standing up for them does nothing. W_HAMILTON 8 hrs ago #140

Hitler succeeded because good people failed to act. iemanja 8 hrs ago #144

Yeah, and those """good people""" failed to act when they let Trump seize power.... W_HAMILTON 8 hrs ago #146

Or he's feeling pressure from the base EdmondDantes_ 14 hrs ago #27

The base wouldn't want him to fight back? SergeStorms 13 hrs ago #59

That's what I mean EdmondDantes_ 13 hrs ago #67

Depends on which "base"... slightlv 12 hrs ago #91

Given how we've seen this play out before, I can. W_HAMILTON 9 hrs ago #130

Thoughts don't matter iemanja 9 hrs ago #131

And if people had supported good Democrats instead of nitpicking them from office, we wouldn't have that problem. W_HAMILTON 9 hrs ago #137

Nor as long as Democrats don't act iemanja 9 hrs ago #139

Fuck that. A Democrat """not acting""" is still better than the best Republican. W_HAMILTON 8 hrs ago #141

So you won't bother making a phone call? iemanja 8 hrs ago #142

No, because I don't buy into the conspiracy that Democraric leadership fucking wants ICE ravaging our streets. W_HAMILTON 8 hrs ago #145

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You sound like you should get out of your mother's basement and get a job. Scrivener7 14 hrs ago #9

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Pretty sure it's Library Girl Emile 14 hrs ago #24

Ah! Of course. Such a pitiful creature. Scrivener7 14 hrs ago #25

She gone for now Emile 14 hrs ago #29

That happened quickly. mr715 14 hrs ago #32

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LG you back so soon? Emile 13 hrs ago #49

Three times a charm?! sheshe2 13 hrs ago #52

LOL , she is a Weirdo. Emile 13 hrs ago #54

She sure took a sprint through this thread. 🤪 sheshe2 13 hrs ago #58

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Darn, I missed all the fun. Was our old friend lg on a tear again? niyad 12 hrs ago #81

hmmm, I have seen that user name several other places on youtube. niyad 12 hrs ago #83

Jesus. It's because "they're terrified of being labeled anti law enforcement." While a rogue militia Scrivener7 14 hrs ago #8

If he were to be elected Speaker, he'd control the agenda. mr715 14 hrs ago #20

I advise to have ZERO expectations if he becomes speaker. More foot dragging Bread and Circuses 14 hrs ago #38

We can't get much without Trump... mr715 13 hrs ago #41

Why can't another Rep, (AOC, Crow, Frost. or?) challenge Jeffries' Ars Longa 13 hrs ago #45

They can. mr715 13 hrs ago #48

And people lament that the party's approval rating is poor... RockRaven 14 hrs ago #12

Oo! Oo! I know!! mr715 13 hrs ago #50

Wait-a-sec... mr715 14 hrs ago #16

While I'd much prefer they be more forceful I understand the hesitation EdmondDantes_ 14 hrs ago #17

That's terrible. H2O Man 14 hrs ago #18

Without strong leadership we are sunk. Nanjeanne 14 hrs ago #26

Uh huh. mr715 14 hrs ago #30

He doesn't care. These are bench warmers , at best Bread and Circuses 14 hrs ago #35

He could be a competent back bencher mr715 14 hrs ago #39

We've fallen through the Ice. No one to help us Bread and Circuses 14 hrs ago #37

My guess is SocialDemocrat61 14 hrs ago #31

That's exactly it. Quiet Em 13 hrs ago #53

If you're a democratic rep SocialDemocrat61 13 hrs ago #57

So let 'em! mr715 13 hrs ago #60

Most people in R+24 districts SocialDemocrat61 13 hrs ago #61

Why broadcast it!? mr715 13 hrs ago #63

He probably already knows that a number of Democrats SocialDemocrat61 12 hrs ago #71

100% Wrong mr715 12 hrs ago #73

He is letting Democrats vote how they want SocialDemocrat61 12 hrs ago #74

No. mr715 12 hrs ago #75

If you want to see ICE held accountable SocialDemocrat61 12 hrs ago #76

Yes, there is. mr715 12 hrs ago #84

No there isn't SocialDemocrat61 12 hrs ago #87

We very much disagree. nt mr715 12 hrs ago #90

Yes we do SocialDemocrat61 11 hrs ago #98

But I don't think you improve your chances of winning control of congress by not fighting such an important issue crimycarny 11 hrs ago #106

Rather than read a room SocialDemocrat61 11 hrs ago #112

We can disagree without disparaging either other, can't we? crimycarny 11 hrs ago #114

I was implying nothing personal SocialDemocrat61 11 hrs ago #116

Abolishing ICE versus not extra funding crimycarny 10 hrs ago #118

Funding ICE is not the same as SocialDemocrat61 8 hrs ago #147

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree crimycarny 7 hrs ago #154

Either way it's irrelevant SocialDemocrat61 7 hrs ago #155

I don't think for those in Minnesota see a yes vote for the ICE funding as irrelevant crimycarny 7 hrs ago #157

It's irrelevant because it will pass anyway SocialDemocrat61 7 hrs ago #158

Certainly worked great in 2024 crimycarny 6 hrs ago #159

Why not stick to the issue at hand SocialDemocrat61 6 hrs ago #160

Too bad they can't learn from the Repukes when they were out of power LearnedHand 11 hrs ago #115

Yet democrats are leading in the polls SocialDemocrat61 10 hrs ago #117

Talk about NOT meeting the moment. Bread and Circuses 14 hrs ago #33

Not leading? Not following? Choose option C. Maru Kitteh 14 hrs ago #34

Lets get real zen about our position on murder. mr715 13 hrs ago #43

Our masked racist militia needs better training LuvLoogie 14 hrs ago #36

I know that we are all experts & understand politics & Congress more than him, but what if... themaguffin 13 hrs ago #40

Whatever that larger strategy is, it's painfully clear it's not working. Scrivener7 12 hrs ago #89

So how does this "whip" work? MorbidButterflyTat 13 hrs ago #62

For some folks, performative outage is the entire show. tritsofme 12 hrs ago #79

Here you go: Scrivener7 12 hrs ago #93

When impeachment rolls around... mr715 11 hrs ago #99

Gotta be some stupid bug Timewas 13 hrs ago #64

I consider this a litmus test KT2000 13 hrs ago #65

It has been (at least) one public murder. mr715 12 hrs ago #68

Are there issues for which he will whip votes? hatrack 13 hrs ago #66

On bills denouncing the horrors of socialism... nt mr715 12 hrs ago #69

Seriously. If this isn't important enough to him, I truly wonder what is. Scrivener7 11 hrs ago #94

Precisely. If you won't oppose this, why have an "Opposition"? hatrack 11 hrs ago #97

WEAK Renew Deal 12 hrs ago #70

This is why the country's political system is a failure fujiyamasan 12 hrs ago #72

What??? Why???!! AllyCat 12 hrs ago #77

HERE is a house leader. usonian 12 hrs ago #78

I wonder if Nancy is going along with this, or if behind the scenes, Ars Longa 12 hrs ago #86

Watch how she votes. But we know how she'll vote. mr715 12 hrs ago #92

I hope H.Jeffries is listening to Nancy behind the scenes.. Ars Longa 11 hrs ago #104

When did it get to the point that it's acceptable BlueKota 12 hrs ago #80

Great post. Scrivener7 11 hrs ago #96

Thank you! BlueKota 10 hrs ago #124

Maybe European leaders learned from Neville Chamnerlain. usonian 11 hrs ago #113

It's sad how many people in this country BlueKota 10 hrs ago #125

It only "proves" to them their "rightness" of their cause, and the gullibility of others. usonian 9 hrs ago #135

Well said, and I agree Bayard 10 hrs ago #127

There it is.. Cirsium 12 hrs ago #82

Is he daring any Democrats to vote for the DHS bill? patphil 12 hrs ago #85

"They're terrified of being labeled anti-law enforcement," rather than doing the right thing Mr. Sparkle 12 hrs ago #88

We will be a perpetual minority mr715 11 hrs ago #95

Well stated!!!!! Scubamatt 10 hrs ago #123

This is not law enforcement. BarbD 11 hrs ago #103

Come on down to Crazy Atacama's! Sympthsical 11 hrs ago #100

"Defeat from the jaws of victory" nt mr715 11 hrs ago #102

We need a House leader who walks the walk. La Coliniere 11 hrs ago #101

He is afraid to whip votes against the DHS funding bill because it would look like dems are anti-ICE. mysteryowl 11 hrs ago #105

Any Democrat who isn't anti-ICE mr715 11 hrs ago #108

I hope he is primaried SheltieLover 11 hrs ago #107

Primaries are good and healthy mr715 11 hrs ago #110

Defunding isn't just for ICE, it's for DHS as a whole Warpy 10 hrs ago #119

From another source: littlemissmartypants 10 hrs ago #120

Pathetic . . . Scubamatt 10 hrs ago #122

Post removed Post removed 10 hrs ago #126

Oh heck, the headline doesn't get me worked up in a frothy hate at Democrats -- not sure why I should despise Jeffries. betsuni 9 hrs ago #132

Trump has unleashed a Gestapo that is killing us iemanja 9 hrs ago #134

Don't worry just let the rich leadership fix it JBTaurus83 7 hrs ago #150

Sorry, I'm Through with Him and All the Rest of the D Leadership The Roux Comes First 7 hrs ago #151

Hakeem goes the Schumer playbook Sewa 2 hrs ago #162