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W_HAMILTON

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198. The issue is that people didn't heed the warnings from myself and others.

Fri Jan 23, 2026, 12:23 PM

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And judging from the constant complaints -- many of which are entirely disingenuous (see the thread about Jeffries and his """lack of press conferences""&quot -- people are doing the same thing that led directly.to all the problems we have now with fascist MAGA morons destroying our country.

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Jeffries Won't Whip Vote Against ICE Funding [View all] Celerity Wednesday OP

Maybe its time to pass the mantle sboatcar Wednesday #1

Exactly why focusing just on age isn't a good strategy newdeal2 Wednesday #14

I have been skeptical of Jeffries from the start mr715 Wednesday #28

This message was self-deleted by its author helpisontheway Wednesday #109

He is such a weak minority leader! I miss Pelosi!! Nt helpisontheway Wednesday #111

Maybe it is time to pass the mantle to someone Who Is Strong. I want someone strong like Iron Man. Trueblue1968 Wednesday #121

Jeffries needs to hear from the nationwide Democratic rank-and-file voters---- like us! Jack Valentino Yesterday #148

Jeffries has publicly announced that he will vote against ICE funding--- not a small thing, Jack Valentino Yesterday #152

With friends like these.... JBTaurus83 Wednesday #2

WTF? leftstreet Wednesday #3

So those attacking Jeffries a few weeks ago for not wanting to cut ICE funding were full of shit. W_HAMILTON Wednesday #4

There are some JBTaurus83 Wednesday #7

And the ones attacking good Democrats are usually those who are in a place of privilege and won't get hurt regardless. W_HAMILTON Wednesday #19

"Attacking good Democrats" mr715 Wednesday #23

And there is never anyone good enough -- funny how that works. W_HAMILTON Wednesday #128

"These same people" mr715 Wednesday #129

The people who think Jeffries isn't good enough, Pelosi wasn't good enough... W_HAMILTON Wednesday #133

Not all of those unfortunately...were good enough Melon Yesterday #153

For anyone that thinks they weren't good enough, I don't want to hear a goddamn word about the hell we find ourselves in W_HAMILTON Yesterday #179

Wow these purity tests. nt mr715 Yesterday #183

You think voting for the Democrat and the only person that could have stopped all this from happening is a purity test? W_HAMILTON Yesterday #184

No, I think your insistence mr715 23 hrs ago #187

Except not marching in lockstep is what drove us off the cliff here. W_HAMILTON 15 hrs ago #194

Do you think I didn't vote for Kamala Harris? nt mr715 5 hrs ago #197

Do you think your criticisms are in a vacuum? W_HAMILTON 3 hrs ago #199

I supported Pelosi, Hillary, Biden and Kamala. And my mind is open about Newsom. Scrivener7 Yesterday #172

What a bizarro world. Jeffries is almost always in lockstep with the vast majority of Democratic reps. W_HAMILTON Yesterday #180

Yes, Pelosi was accused of personally preventing an impeachment vote because of devious personal reasons. betsuni Wednesday #143

I was a huge Pelosi supporter JBTaurus83 Yesterday #149

I forgot the constant hysteria that 10,000-year-old Pelosi was clinging to power, would never ever never retire betsuni Yesterday #161

I was a big Hillary and Kamala JBTaurus83 Wednesday #42

A woman was shot in the face mr715 Wednesday #44

I agree with you JBTaurus83 Wednesday #47

Oh I know, I'm just coming in hot. mr715 Wednesday #51

Heh, I doubt even a Xanax would work on me. OldBaldy1701E Yesterday #167

And the problem is that to help them we have to hurt even more people. W_HAMILTON Wednesday #136

If you won't stand up for the lives of your fellow citizens iemanja Wednesday #138

Stand up for them before it gets to the point where standing up for them does nothing. W_HAMILTON Wednesday #140

Hitler succeeded because good people failed to act. iemanja Wednesday #144

Yeah, and those """good people""" failed to act when they let Trump seize power.... W_HAMILTON Wednesday #146

Your pique about the past is blinding you to the urgency of the present. No one here voted for trump. Scrivener7 Yesterday #174

My pique for the past was once the urgency of the present. W_HAMILTON Yesterday #181

And everyone here votes for the Democrats. But for some reason you insist on acting Scrivener7 Yesterday #185

Sure could have fooled me, with how some incessantly criticize Democrats. W_HAMILTON 15 hrs ago #195

Oh, FFS. So your issue is that you feel people didn't pay enough attention to you in the past, and Scrivener7 6 hrs ago #196

The issue is that people didn't heed the warnings from myself and others. W_HAMILTON 3 hrs ago #198

Blaming Democrats again, I see. Scrivener7 2 hrs ago #200

Or he's feeling pressure from the base EdmondDantes_ Wednesday #27

The base wouldn't want him to fight back? SergeStorms Wednesday #59

That's what I mean EdmondDantes_ Wednesday #67

Depends on which "base"... slightlv Wednesday #91

Given how we've seen this play out before, I can. W_HAMILTON Wednesday #130

Thoughts don't matter iemanja Wednesday #131

And if people had supported good Democrats instead of nitpicking them from office, we wouldn't have that problem. W_HAMILTON Wednesday #137

Nor as long as Democrats don't act iemanja Wednesday #139

Fuck that. A Democrat """not acting""" is still better than the best Republican. W_HAMILTON Wednesday #141

So you won't bother making a phone call? iemanja Wednesday #142

No, because I don't buy into the conspiracy that Democraric leadership fucking wants ICE ravaging our streets. W_HAMILTON Wednesday #145

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You sound like you should get out of your mother's basement and get a job. Scrivener7 Wednesday #9

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Dear Jury: this guys' name is "you sound vaccinated." His schtick is - I think, because it' sounds pretty meth addled - Scrivener7 Wednesday #11

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DU has support forums leftstreet Wednesday #15

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Pretty sure it's Library Girl Emile Wednesday #24

Ah! Of course. Such a pitiful creature. Scrivener7 Wednesday #25

She gone for now Emile Wednesday #29

That happened quickly. mr715 Wednesday #32

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LG you back so soon? Emile Wednesday #49

Three times a charm?! sheshe2 Wednesday #52

LOL , she is a Weirdo. Emile Wednesday #54

She sure took a sprint through this thread. 🤪 sheshe2 Wednesday #58

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Darn, I missed all the fun. Was our old friend lg on a tear again? niyad Wednesday #81

hmmm, I have seen that user name several other places on youtube. niyad Wednesday #83

Jesus. It's because "they're terrified of being labeled anti law enforcement." While a rogue militia Scrivener7 Wednesday #8

If he were to be elected Speaker, he'd control the agenda. mr715 Wednesday #20

I advise to have ZERO expectations if he becomes speaker. More foot dragging Bread and Circuses Wednesday #38

We can't get much without Trump... mr715 Wednesday #41

Why can't another Rep, (AOC, Crow, Frost. or?) challenge Jeffries' Ars Longa Wednesday #45

They can. mr715 Wednesday #48

And people lament that the party's approval rating is poor... RockRaven Wednesday #12

Oo! Oo! I know!! mr715 Wednesday #50

Wait-a-sec... mr715 Wednesday #16

While I'd much prefer they be more forceful I understand the hesitation EdmondDantes_ Wednesday #17

That's terrible. H2O Man Wednesday #18

Without strong leadership we are sunk. Nanjeanne Wednesday #26

Uh huh. mr715 Wednesday #30

He doesn't care. These are bench warmers , at best Bread and Circuses Wednesday #35

He could be a competent back bencher mr715 Wednesday #39

We've fallen through the Ice. No one to help us Bread and Circuses Wednesday #37

My guess is SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #31

That's exactly it. Quiet Em Wednesday #53

If you're a democratic rep SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #57

So let 'em! mr715 Wednesday #60

Most people in R+24 districts SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #61

Why broadcast it!? mr715 Wednesday #63

He probably already knows that a number of Democrats SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #71

100% Wrong mr715 Wednesday #73

He is letting Democrats vote how they want SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #74

No. mr715 Wednesday #75

If you want to see ICE held accountable SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #76

Yes, there is. mr715 Wednesday #84

No there isn't SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #87

We very much disagree. nt mr715 Wednesday #90

Yes we do SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #98

But I don't think you improve your chances of winning control of congress by not fighting such an important issue crimycarny Wednesday #106

Rather than read a room SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #112

We can disagree without disparaging either other, can't we? crimycarny Wednesday #114

I was implying nothing personal SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #116

Abolishing ICE versus not extra funding crimycarny Wednesday #118

Funding ICE is not the same as SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #147

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree crimycarny Yesterday #154

Either way it's irrelevant SocialDemocrat61 Yesterday #155

I don't think for those in Minnesota see a yes vote for the ICE funding as irrelevant crimycarny Yesterday #157

It's irrelevant because it will pass anyway SocialDemocrat61 Yesterday #158

Certainly worked great in 2024 crimycarny Yesterday #159

Why not stick to the issue at hand SocialDemocrat61 Yesterday #160

Then let us resign ourselves mr715 Yesterday #168

I'm not a member of Congress SocialDemocrat61 Yesterday #169

Too bad they can't learn from the Repukes when they were out of power LearnedHand Wednesday #115

Yet democrats are leading in the polls SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #117

Talk about NOT meeting the moment. Bread and Circuses Wednesday #33

Not leading? Not following? Choose option C. Maru Kitteh Wednesday #34

Lets get real zen about our position on murder. mr715 Wednesday #43

Our masked racist militia needs better training LuvLoogie Wednesday #36

I know that we are all experts & understand politics & Congress more than him, but what if... themaguffin Wednesday #40

Whatever that larger strategy is, it's painfully clear it's not working. Scrivener7 Wednesday #89

Not every strategy is an action in the moment. Look, I would love for them to... themaguffin Yesterday #165

I think all of us can look at the results of his continuous selection of the weakest possible response to a given Scrivener7 Yesterday #171

Again, they to do whatever is that they actually can do. I'm referring to more than words themaguffin Yesterday #173

What does it hurt if we stand united for the obvious right and moral thing, even if we don't win? Scrivener7 Yesterday #175

I didn't say otherwise. That wasn't my point themaguffin Yesterday #176

So how does this "whip" work? MorbidButterflyTat Wednesday #62

For some folks, performative outage is the entire show. tritsofme Wednesday #79

Here you go: Scrivener7 Wednesday #93

When impeachment rolls around... mr715 Wednesday #99

Gotta be some stupid bug Timewas Wednesday #64

I consider this a litmus test KT2000 Wednesday #65

It has been (at least) one public murder. mr715 Wednesday #68

Are there issues for which he will whip votes? hatrack Wednesday #66

On bills denouncing the horrors of socialism... nt mr715 Wednesday #69

Seriously. If this isn't important enough to him, I truly wonder what is. Scrivener7 Wednesday #94

Precisely. If you won't oppose this, why have an "Opposition"? hatrack Wednesday #97

"Presidents come presidents go. And through it all God is still on his throne" Autumn Yesterday #166

WEAK Renew Deal Wednesday #70

This is why the country's political system is a failure fujiyamasan Wednesday #72

What??? Why???!! AllyCat Wednesday #77

HERE is a house leader. usonian Wednesday #78

I wonder if Nancy is going along with this, or if behind the scenes, Ars Longa Wednesday #86

Watch how she votes. But we know how she'll vote. mr715 Wednesday #92

I hope H.Jeffries is listening to Nancy behind the scenes.. Ars Longa Wednesday #104

When did it get to the point that it's acceptable BlueKota Wednesday #80

Great post. Scrivener7 Wednesday #96

Thank you! BlueKota Wednesday #124

Maybe European leaders learned from Neville Chamnerlain. usonian Wednesday #113

It's sad how many people in this country BlueKota Wednesday #125

It only "proves" to them their "rightness" of their cause, and the gullibility of others. usonian Wednesday #135

Well said, and I agree Bayard Wednesday #127

There it is.. Cirsium Wednesday #82

Is he daring any Democrats to vote for the DHS bill? patphil Wednesday #85

"They're terrified of being labeled anti-law enforcement," rather than doing the right thing Mr. Sparkle Wednesday #88

We will be a perpetual minority mr715 Wednesday #95

Well stated!!!!! Scubamatt Wednesday #123

This is not law enforcement. BarbD Wednesday #103

Come on down to Crazy Atacama's! Sympthsical Wednesday #100

"Defeat from the jaws of victory" nt mr715 Wednesday #102

We need a House leader who walks the walk. La Coliniere Wednesday #101

He is afraid to whip votes against the DHS funding bill because it would look like dems are anti-ICE. mysteryowl Wednesday #105

Any Democrat who isn't anti-ICE mr715 Wednesday #108

I hope he is primaried SheltieLover Wednesday #107

Primaries are good and healthy mr715 Wednesday #110

Even AOC and Mamdani discouraged primarying him. W_HAMILTON Yesterday #182

Primaries are good and healthy. mr715 23 hrs ago #186

DSA acolyte Chi Osse filed the paperwork, but then he got the memo from both AOC and Mamdani lapucelle 19 hrs ago #188

As for Jeffries, he says "Bring it on". lapucelle 19 hrs ago #189

This is the right posture, no? mr715 18 hrs ago #190

Ask AOC and Mamdani. They're the ones clearly against primarying Jeffries. lapucelle 18 hrs ago #191

They're wrong? nt mr715 18 hrs ago #192

nt? lapucelle 18 hrs ago #193

Defunding isn't just for ICE, it's for DHS as a whole Warpy Wednesday #119

From another source: littlemissmartypants Wednesday #120

Pathetic . . . Scubamatt Wednesday #122

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Oh heck, the headline doesn't get me worked up in a frothy hate at Democrats -- not sure why I should despise Jeffries. betsuni Wednesday #132

Trump has unleashed a Gestapo that is killing us iemanja Wednesday #134

Don't worry just let the rich leadership fix it JBTaurus83 Yesterday #150

Sorry, I'm Through with Him and All the Rest of the D Leadership The Roux Comes First Yesterday #151

Hakeem goes the Schumer playbook Sewa Yesterday #162

It's the job of elected officials.... returnee Yesterday #163

Of course he won't. nt Autumn Yesterday #164

Maybe because he wants to win the House gulliver Yesterday #170

"Emotion first"!? iemanja Yesterday #178

usonian has a thread of action items, including a phone # to call Jeffries and tell him to whip this damn thing. Scrivener7 Yesterday #177

If that's the case Jilly_in_VA 58 min ago #201