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Lizzie Poppet

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140. If everyone were always law abiding...

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:03 PM

Dec 2012

...there would be no United States. Because laws are not always fair and ethical (or a good idea), every person has an ethical decision to make about whether or not they will comply. That decision has to include consideration of the effect on the concept of "rule of law," too. Most of the time, the decision is simple and obvious because most laws make sense. Others are pointless and stupid...but not particularly harmful, so it's probably best to comply and not erode respect for the rule of law concept. However, some laws fail to achieve a positive ethical cost/benefit ratio...the "path of least harm" is to disobey them.

Would federal gun registration fall into the latter category? I wouldn't have thought so...but the interactive gun owner map publication incident has me re-examining the question.

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No, I'm not going to register my guns. [View all] MadHound Dec 2012 OP

And yet, you have no problem telling the whole internet what you own Electric Monk Dec 2012 #1

Exactly. progressoid Dec 2012 #41

Do you know his name and address? NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #46

I could know his IP address if I included an image in my post hosted on a server I had access to Electric Monk Dec 2012 #57

And to get around DHCP? NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #63

? AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #84

IP does change depending on some providers. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #89

Yeah, it's possible that MadHound is using dialup AOL still, but odds are they're not. Electric Monk Dec 2012 #96

Yes, if you clone your MAC address AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #104

I can... LP2K12 Dec 2012 #271

I think the other poster is confusing DHCP and NAT DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #315

But does that lead to his physical home address somehow? limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #167

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #231

ROFL! Skip Intro Dec 2012 #247

Yup. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #58

I know people with "protected by" and the name of a home alarm company stickers. Igel Dec 2012 #130

No thief will be that desperate to do all the stuff it would take to find out where he is to... Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #193

ironic samsingh Dec 2012 #252

cool story bro frylock Dec 2012 #2

"Gun control" means either control the guns or control the people who use them. rrneck Dec 2012 #3

I think you just did register them into a public database known as the internet. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #4

That's what I was getting at with reply #1 above. Electric Monk Dec 2012 #8

I'm always amazed at folks who come on line thucythucy Dec 2012 #44

Can you find out where I live from a post on an anonymous chat board? MadHound Dec 2012 #15

Yes. I'm shocked that people are so naive that they think they are untraceable abelenkpe Dec 2012 #26

Oh you're referring to the newspaper that published names/addresses. I'm firmly against that. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #33

Its not an invasion rbixby Dec 2012 #253

The newspaper needed to use an FOI Jenoch Dec 2012 #261

Yes. Not me, but the gummint can and does all the time. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #269

your wasting your time with this group, they think tracing your ip to your address is as easy as crazyjoe Dec 2012 #295

This post will show you your IP address, your ISP, your Operating System, and your browser. Electric Monk Dec 2012 #320

hahahaha.......wow, you know which browser i prefer. You sure showed me. :-) crazyjoe Dec 2012 #322

Holy shifting goalposts, Batman! Electric Monk Dec 2012 #325

let me be clearer for you, i see your having trouble keeping up with the discussion. crazyjoe Jan 2013 #331

I don't need to convince you, but if the gov't is compiling a database, MadHound is already in it. Electric Monk Jan 2013 #332

when all else fails, correct my grammer. The government compiling a database has nothing crazyjoe Jan 2013 #342

you should also refuse to register your car for the same reasons. spanone Dec 2012 #5

Or pay property taxes. After all, the assessed value of your home is listed on those records! PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #16

Heck, why not just refuse to follow any laws at all. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #61

And if you license your dog, someone might dog-nap it. Patiod Dec 2012 #180

Uh, correct me if I'm wrong... Skinner Dec 2012 #6

This is exactly the point I made on a thread about the published list. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #10

I think.. EX500rider Dec 2012 #13

Assuming that criminals are not smart enough to determine no one is home? hack89 Dec 2012 #20

Yup. If someone is home, the burglar has fucked up. BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #201

~>~>~>~>~>~>~>~> Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #262

Are you going to stay at home every single minute of every single day? MadHound Dec 2012 #23

i think another point is you dont want the bad guys to know your armed until its to late loli phabay Dec 2012 #25

I wouldn't want a newspaper listing me for anything that I own no matter what it is rrneck Dec 2012 #27

You'd better not buy a house, then Orrex Dec 2012 #100

There's a difference between public record rrneck Dec 2012 #126

The difference is an illusion Orrex Dec 2012 #148

It's funny rrneck Dec 2012 #162

An important distinction needs to be made: Orrex Dec 2012 #172

Do people only have sex at home? rrneck Dec 2012 #182

Your expectation of compensation makes no sense at all Orrex Dec 2012 #194

It makes no sense because you overlooked what I wrote. rrneck Dec 2012 #203

LOL bongbong Dec 2012 #207

Y'know, it's funny... rrneck Dec 2012 #209

Your analogy between guns and AIDS medication is preposterous Orrex Dec 2012 #229

Actually, rrneck Dec 2012 #238

So, you are in fact a paranoid gun nut Orrex Dec 2012 #241

You should probably brush up on those remote psycological evaluaiton skills. rrneck Dec 2012 #242

Well, I know some members of the NRA who aren't paranoid gun nuts Orrex Dec 2012 #245

Okay rrneck Dec 2012 #246

Some criminals... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #49

Most gun owners don't want to advertise they have guns. They are a major score for thieves. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #52

'Armed households are burglar magnets' AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #59

Absurd only if you smoke crack. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #66

Give some statistics to back that up AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #70

Here: NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #83

Ironically, your first link makes a case for gun registration AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #93

Registration info should be confidential, releasable only to law enforcement. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #95

No statistics forthcoming AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #111

Still using the invincible ignorance and Burden of Proof fallacies. nt NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #113

You tried AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #121

Let me jump in here to clarify a point: Orrex Dec 2012 #122

Ok. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #143

But isn't that information already available to the public? Orrex Dec 2012 #159

That information is NOT available to the public in most states. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #163

I recognize that that's your fear, but I still don't buy that it's valid Orrex Dec 2012 #174

And we will never come to any agreement then. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #177

Your argument is self evident BS Orrex Dec 2012 #195

Yes, we will obviously disagree. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #233

Then why have guns? Chorophyll Dec 2012 #72

The absurdity of the position is lost in the fog AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #77

You are arguing NRA talking points. Talk about fucking lame. nt NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #85

Funny AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #94

Strawman fallacy. That was never my position. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #97

"You are arguing NRA talking points" AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #115

FAIL nt NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #116

:) AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #117

What does that even mean? Crackinrocket Dec 2012 #222

Hence why you don't advertise it. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #80

Hunting, target shooting, collecting, personal self-defense slackmaster Dec 2012 #90

I take exception to "personal self-defense" Chorophyll Dec 2012 #92

Nobody here is claiming that a gun acts like some kind of magic force field that protects you slackmaster Dec 2012 #102

I'm not actually defending the publishing of names and addresses, though. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #124

What you seem to be doing is parroting negative stereotypes and bogus assumptions... slackmaster Dec 2012 #135

No. The OP has told us all about his guns, and about how putting that information out there Chorophyll Dec 2012 #141

You keep avoiding my point, which is that having your name and address published when you want... slackmaster Dec 2012 #142

Guns are a tremendous issue, and if they weren't, we wouldn't be having this "conversation." Chorophyll Dec 2012 #147

What I really don't understand is a mind-set that would include giving a flying fuck whether or not slackmaster Dec 2012 #149

And... you've changed the subject again. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #151

Indeed AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #55

A true statement. They'll probably target those not on the list, since there aren't shadowrider Dec 2012 #86

Plus 90 percent of crooks that do break ins safeinOhio Dec 2012 #119

Agreed shadowrider Dec 2012 #133

A tactic still n use by Jenoch Dec 2012 #249

Unless there are unregistered, illegal firearms blueamy66 Dec 2012 #208

Why not? A gun is an attractive thing for Jenoch Dec 2012 #250

Yes. I don't understand the logic at all. nt Chorophyll Dec 2012 #67

Publishing a detailed map showing where all the guns are takes the mystery out of who has them slackmaster Dec 2012 #87

Well said Skinner! neverforget Dec 2012 #98

Which house do we hit? Not that one with the gun. But... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #99

I advised a co-worker who is a gunsmith that his sign could be seen by would-be thieves IDemo Dec 2012 #128

When I leave home I take at most 2 of my/our firearms. ileus Dec 2012 #132

Excellent point. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #169

Don't forget, Skinner, that "responsible" gun owners lock their weapons up when they leave madinmaryland Dec 2012 #183

I think that should be mandated by law, personally. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #184

What???? A jackwagon will pick whatever house he/she wants regardless of the madinmaryland Dec 2012 #212

You really don't think there are burglars who would use a list like the one published? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #214

Apparently Wayne did tell you to say that. Show any of us here that the crackheads madinmaryland Dec 2012 #239

Ahh. My poor little delicate flower. You were so upset that you put me on ignore. madinmaryland Dec 2012 #240

If it makes you feel better, I put you on ignore about two weeks ago Orrex Dec 2012 #316

Just because you put me on ignore, does not change the fact that Rush the band still sucks!! madinmaryland Dec 2012 #321

If I weren't ignoring you, I'd tell you that I'm no Rush fanatic Orrex Dec 2012 #324

If only we had a rec reply feature. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #270

at the same time, gejohnston Dec 2012 #309

Yes, Skinner, guns do you make a target for criminals. MicaelS Dec 2012 #319

If you're on Social Security, you'll have to sell them soon leftstreet Dec 2012 #7

Your fear has you vowing to commit a hypothetical federal felony DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #9

Study: Carrying a gun can make you more paranoid PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #12

Maybe rickford66 Dec 2012 #17

Maybe paranoid people should stay the fuck away from firearms. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #19

But they can still watch FOX nt rickford66 Dec 2012 #24

So In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #38

You didn't read the study I linked. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #39

Yes. I did read the link. In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #43

So... perceiving a foam ball as a gun is a 'heightened sense of awareness'?? PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #47

Gun owners need to know: In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #75

Gun holders perceived the following things to be guns and drew their weapons upon sight: PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #81

That's really bad! In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #88

What is the homicide conviction rates of CCLs compared to general population? Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #110

I guess that depends on who you ask. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #125

I hear even Texas CCLs commit only a small fraction of murders when compared Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #160

"obsessed". PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #161

Oh, I do. You shoukd read them more closely -- Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #178

If we demonstrate that a gun owner lacks this "heightened state of awareness," Orrex Dec 2012 #166

And, should gun owners be re-evaluated on some interval? Annually? PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #170

That is the 64 thousand dollar question. In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #171

Love that AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #65

Very George Zimmerman-y PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #69

Another way of understanding what I was saying is: In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #79

Oh, I think I'm a hypothetical felon already then! cherokeeprogressive Dec 2012 #40

Well, no. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #73

Which is it? rickford66 Dec 2012 #11

poster doesn't want to secure the guns, and doesn't want to even know what happens if thieves bettyellen Dec 2012 #35

According to NRA types, criminals don't mess with people with guns. Hoyt Dec 2012 #14

Instead of wishing that everyone would be sensible, Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #29

I agree with you. Been pushing it for some time. Hoyt Dec 2012 #62

Yeah and I asked Santa for a unicorn that craps glitter, but he didn't answer. Crackinrocket Dec 2012 #224

I sincerely hope Cirque du So-What Dec 2012 #18

all guns should be registered quinnox Dec 2012 #21

seems to me the lanza's all had the same level of comfort with guns layin around which was all fine leftyohiolib Dec 2012 #22

How do you know they were left 'laying around'? B2G Dec 2012 #32

how do you know they were'nt .. you dont. i can play that game too. leftyohiolib Dec 2012 #51

We don't know much from official channels, now do we? B2G Dec 2012 #64

they were in a gun safe in the basement TorchTheWitch Dec 2012 #225

In the UK that would get you a mandatory sentence of 5 years in prison. Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #28

Then I should have no problem with the government making a criminal out of you. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #30

Fine, but when you pass on... hopefully who ever inherits them would be law abiding bettyellen Dec 2012 #31

Oh please. Get off the cross. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #34

. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #36

+ 1000 quinnox Dec 2012 #37

Deer hunting season in northern MI scared me every year. Somebody riding in a car catbyte Dec 2012 #68

I have friends in northern MI with the same problems. In both cases it's their OWN LAND. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #106

Still? It was like that 30 years ago growing up. I hope your friends stay safe. catbyte Dec 2012 #157

+everything Chorophyll Dec 2012 #76

+10000000! Walk away Dec 2012 #302

Yeah, right. jberryhill Dec 2012 #42

What is it about guns with some people AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #45

RIght now I'm completely confused. You seem like a reasonable person. Tell me: Squinch Dec 2012 #255

Somehow I doubt criminals are going to be lining up for your musket, single-shot .22, Downtown Hound Dec 2012 #48

The guns would be used for Jenoch Dec 2012 #251

Yeah, your dad being an idiot really has nothing to do with whether or not one should register their Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #334

Wow, do you have it all effed up. Jenoch Jan 2013 #335

Well, everything you've just said throws a shitload of water Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #336

You still don't get it. Jenoch Jan 2013 #337

What about the normal risk of getting your guns stolen? Is that a problem? jmg257 Jan 2013 #338

It's not a huge problem for members of my Jenoch Jan 2013 #339

Interesting (and informative) article - thanks! nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #340

One of the most common ways Jenoch Jan 2013 #341

Actually, I do get it Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #345

Well gursh nubbit, you gun folks is gittin your stories all which ways, taint ya. Care Acutely Dec 2012 #50

.. quinnox Dec 2012 #53

You win. Brigid Dec 2012 #153

What is the purpose of the "accent"? Marengo Dec 2012 #219

Based on the fun guckers Care Acutely Dec 2012 #263

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #54

Wow. Having guns means people will now ROB YOU AND KILL YOU. mainer Dec 2012 #56

The fog of RW gun positions AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #101

The obvious solution is that we should arm gun owners Orrex Dec 2012 #103

Yes AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #108

Genius timesamillion Dec 2012 #181

The only sensible solution. Iggo Dec 2012 #215

Or is it time to begin to arm the guns themselves? They're in danger, you know. Squinch Dec 2012 #256

The NRA could train them for free and we'll pay them with tax $$$$$! nt Walk away Dec 2012 #303

it would take less time to register than typing your edict. JustFiveMoreMinutes Dec 2012 #60

I'd vote for a law to register your guns or put you in jail...and you'd need a license too... Sancho Dec 2012 #71

I agree the published list needlessly violates privacy. JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #74

Good for you CountAllVotes Dec 2012 #78

The Journal News's reprehensible behavior provides a powerful argument against gun registration slackmaster Dec 2012 #82

I can't blame you at all - lynne Dec 2012 #91

It doesn't even reflect registered handguns accurately slackmaster Dec 2012 #107

So get a gun safe, get finger recognition software....... Smilo Dec 2012 #105

Would you register them if the info was confidential and not releasable to the public? NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #109

Yes I would. MadHound Dec 2012 #164

I thought of that same analogy. Here's the Diamond necklace owners in each county. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #168

So having a gun really makes you quite the sitting duck. I see. Quack on. Squinch Dec 2012 #258

The gun, no. Having personal possessions mapped for everyo who had no f'ing business to know does. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #268

I wear my nicest jewelry in public. People advertise possessions in tag sales and estate sales. Squinch Dec 2012 #275

Then stand behind your beliefs and publish all of your private info on the internet. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #276

That's just silly, and not equivalent to having gun licensure, already public information, Squinch Dec 2012 #279

It's not public in nearly every other state. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #280

Here is the information about my family that has been published -in the Journal News, as it happens: Squinch Dec 2012 #283

No, post your name and address and a list of your expensive posessions. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #284

As I said, it's already been done. Your demanding I do it here is simply silly. And you know that. Squinch Dec 2012 #285

Where's the searchable interactive map? Where's a link? NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #286

I guess you needed to get the namecalling off your chest. You seem to be really upset and think Squinch Dec 2012 #288

I don't see you doing the same. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #292

Call you names? No, I won't do that. And this conversation seems to have gotten to Squinch Dec 2012 #294

If you think it was unjustified, then alert on it. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #296

Not upset at all. Happy New Year. Squinch Dec 2012 #297

Good for you, stand up for your right to break a law you don't agree with. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #112

I used to know a man who was a reformed burglar. He told me how they usually choose houses... slackmaster Dec 2012 #118

Some friends were robbed years ago. They had a huge dog. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #134

Crazy behavior. That was a robbery. Burglaries are far more common. slackmaster Dec 2012 #139

Ah. We have a Springer. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #155

Sounds like a gun wouldn't have helped them either mainer Dec 2012 #146

I'm not sure anything would have helped them. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #152

some things are possible but not always probable rickford66 Dec 2012 #176

Any size barking dog will make a burglar re-think his target. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #138

Excellent post. ileus Dec 2012 #120

I'm opposed to publishing info on gun owners in the paper. But I do think you should register yours. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #123

I really don't think anyone is asking you to register your black powder gun... Taverner Dec 2012 #127

So you refute the arguement that gun owners are law abiding citizens? Kaleva Dec 2012 #129

If everyone were always law abiding... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #140

I'll bookmark this thread for the next time someone says gun owners obey the law. Kaleva Dec 2012 #145

Go for it. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #150

Wolverines!!! Electric Monk Dec 2012 #154

Which is that in truth, gun owners only obey the laws which they agree with. Kaleva Dec 2012 #158

That's true of all people. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #173

Precisely. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #175

How many people at DU do you think disregard marijuana laws? hack89 Jan 2013 #343

Especailly those who say over and over again that they obey the laws? Kaleva Jan 2013 #344

Not required in my state. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #131

That map really screwed things up. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #136

Agreed. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #144

That map harmed registration chances big time. nt NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #156

I agree. bvar22 Dec 2012 #137

The most responsible position? I don't know about that. Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #165

I think they published the list of registered law-abiding gun owners eilen Dec 2012 #179

I can't believe I put forth the effort required to actually read this dumb-ass post. TroglodyteScholar Dec 2012 #185

Did you stop, even for a few seconds, to think this through? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #186

What's your point? TroglodyteScholar Dec 2012 #188

I do lock them up. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #190

Balls bongbong Dec 2012 #211

So you fear that the release of public info about gun owners puts their other possessions at risk? TroglodyteScholar Dec 2012 #272

Yay! Amateur long-distance psychoanalysis! Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #299

I hope you go to prison if you break the law alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #187

So if someone steals or borrows :) your unregistered gun(s) and uses it in a criminal act.. Tikki Dec 2012 #189

IMO, when that occurs... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #191

How will they know who the gun owner is if the gun is not registered to an owner? Tikki Dec 2012 #192

FFL records. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #202

In Norway, a gun loving country, they allow the police to check in with gun owners to CTyankee Dec 2012 #281

Personally? I'd be okay with that. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #289

that's good to hear. Others on this board have said categorically NO to this idea when I CTyankee Dec 2012 #310

Um......Why should your guns be a thief-magnet more than, say, your car? WinkyDink Dec 2012 #196

Because cars aren't protected by the 2nd Amendment. Duh! Orrex Dec 2012 #198

It is easier to take than a car. A car can be seen going down the street, a gun can be hid under... Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #205

But a car doesn't need a house broken into! WinkyDink Dec 2012 #210

But a car has window that are easy to see in. Lady Freedom Returns Jan 2013 #333

Has anyone really looked at what MadHound has said? Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #197

Thank you for getting it, MadHound Dec 2012 #199

I can't understand how they can't either. Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #200

Drunk drivers are arrestred whetrher or not they cause an accident, so what's the harm of mere gun WinkyDink Dec 2012 #218

If the law is changed to require people to register their firearms, MineralMan Dec 2012 #308

Do you know how many Deer antlers are sold? Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #318

I agree! bongbong Dec 2012 #204

Read #197! Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #206

He created a hypothetical bongbong Dec 2012 #213

Lets see: you tell us an enormous number of gun owners... TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #216

Yeah, you are. Iggo Dec 2012 #217

Go ahead, break the law and refuse to register your guns, but don't whine later mokawanis Dec 2012 #220

Registration didn't work very well for the Canadians. Crackinrocket Dec 2012 #221

Now, there is something worth taking into consideration.. Blasphemer Dec 2012 #228

Actually you are wrong RC Dec 2012 #278

So now you're far to the right of everyone, including Pres. Obama? ecstatic Dec 2012 #223

I'll register mine. JoeyT Dec 2012 #226

Don't you think you should obey the law? AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #227

Safety comes first. I've been driving alone late at night.... Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #230

Erm...no AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #235

Safety comes first. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #326

That's a weird and paranoid driving technique. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #265

Thanks. I think a lot of you, too. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #327

Gee, I drove on lonely highways all the time mainer Dec 2012 #273

My concern is not what's in the mind of the other driver. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #328

Maybe you could shoot out the traffic light with your unregistered firearm Orrex Dec 2012 #301

My brother's gun safe was stolen. The whole safe. It was pretty heavy... Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #232

"They got into it somehow". Is that like "And then I woke up"? WinkyDink Dec 2012 #266

As the OP pointed out, you can break into safes. I don't know how, though. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #329

What utter crap Tab Dec 2012 #234

I love all these gun owners who are so willing to become criminals so they can avoid jmg257 Dec 2012 #236

False equivalence, buddy. Nutsmustbecracked Dec 2012 #248

Other then they are both armed criminals you mean? jmg257 Dec 2012 #274

They need all those guns because they are paranoid. RC Jan 2013 #330

Fine. Brigid Dec 2012 #237

Just a hunch, but I'm betting that you have more than 4 guns... VOX Dec 2012 #243

better not register your car then CreekDog Dec 2012 #244

Isn't that special? JTFrog Dec 2012 #254

For decades, Canada has required all handgun owners to be Jenoch Dec 2012 #257

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #259

Fellow gun owner asks...why not? flvegan Dec 2012 #260

Just move under a rock already Capt. Obvious Dec 2012 #264

"they can still get the electronics and other valuables lying around." So why would your WinkyDink Dec 2012 #267

Because their first priority might well be the guns. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #300

I've heard a lot of paranoid ranting in that regard, but NO actual evidence of it Orrex Dec 2012 #312

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #277

Then you should lose your privilege to own one... Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #282

Then come take it. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #287

We don't have to Orrex Dec 2012 #290

Pretty slick. Explains your motive. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #291

Nope. Mocks your paranoia. Orrex Dec 2012 #293

I got the joke. It just wasn't funny. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #298

No you didn't, and yes it was. Orrex Dec 2012 #304

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #305

So, your state doesn't require such registration. MineralMan Dec 2012 #306

Great point! Some gun owners are apparently much more worried about being targeted by thieves jmg257 Dec 2012 #307

A significant number of states don't require registration - lynne Dec 2012 #311

Why would I be vilified? MineralMan Dec 2012 #314

You're above the law Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #313

It sounds like the value of these guns isn't really the security they provide. allrevvedup Dec 2012 #317

All hail lillypaddle Dec 2012 #323