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NNadir

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2. I have a good friend who attends public science meetings with me who offered, over a year ago, an extremely...
Thu Jan 29, 2026, 11:00 AM
Jan 29

...pessimistic prediction that the United States would fall and the Orange Pedophile would be the cause.

I was dismissive of the argument; saying the Orange Pedophile would never return to power.

I have apologized to him for being dismissive.

You are entitled to your optimism of course, but as an old man, living in a collapsing world, I have lost any semblance of it.

This morning we had Federal Agents storm an office responsible for the integrity of elections in order to satisfy a senile nutcase who now wants to try President Obama for treason.

I no longer share the optimism anymore that fair elections will be held in this country. Soothsaying is generally noted for being as useless as the 25th amendment is in this case.

PS: I'm a grown up, and I really, really, really, really don't need to be lectured about the integrity of news sources. I have lived and preached critical thinking for many years and waded through loads of bullshit both in my professional and private life. While one should consider the source (and I'm not at all familiar with Newsweek anymore) the posted article, which notes that the Orange Pedophile has dementia, hardly a right wing talking point, makes an argument that I can accept. The 25th amendment is useless in this case.

It doesn't matter if the article were written by the ghost of Rush Limbaugh, the point is well made.

The source has no bearing on whether or not the argument is well thought out and presents a viable case. I do believe that that boy Vance may actually be worse, but either way, the United States is collapsing from Constitutional dysfunction.

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It's not that removal via the 25th is so difficult Fiendish Thingy Jan 29 #1
I have a good friend who attends public science meetings with me who offered, over a year ago, an extremely... NNadir Jan 29 #2
I'm an old man with opinions too Fiendish Thingy Jan 29 #6
And your point is what? NNadir Jan 29 #15
Why is Newsweek a right wing source? EdmondDantes_ Jan 29 #9
Bias checkers can themselves be biased Fiendish Thingy Jan 29 #12
Yes, but the situation in 1974 was markedly different than the situation today onenote Jan 29 #14
The entire US Constitution depends on people doing the right thing... Wounded Bear Jan 29 #3
In this case they corrupted the constitutional offices unblock Jan 29 #5
Well yes. The US Constitution was written by people imbued with the philosophical values of the "enlightenment..." NNadir Jan 29 #16
Two factors I believe have contaminated Constitutional balance most of all misanthrope Jan 29 #18
I generally agree. There is an Orwellian aspect to it, not exactly the system he predicted, but close. NNadir Jan 29 #19
Don't forget Huxley misanthrope Jan 29 #21
It was really just designed for genuine incapacitation unblock Jan 29 #4
Yes, I understand the point and fully agree. The problem is that the US Constitution, now declared... NNadir Jan 29 #13
The 25th amendment wasn't really meant for this Shrek Jan 29 #7
Correct. The standard is objective: is the president able to exercise the powers and duties of the office onenote Jan 29 #11
The 25th Amendment Was Never Designed to Remove an Unpopular President MineralMan Jan 29 #8
Section 4 of the 25th Amendment was never intended ... PBC_Democrat Jan 29 #10
So what is the solution? sarisataka Jan 29 #17
While I can state the problem, I cannot offer a corrective. I would support a rewritten Constitution but there... NNadir Jan 29 #20
That is a good analogy sarisataka Jan 29 #25
The problem with the 25th Amendment is that it must be initiated by the Vice President FakeNoose Jan 29 #22
If the United States survives intact, something I suspect is highly uncertain, we may wish to consider a system... NNadir Jan 29 #23
+1 Impeachment has become a joke leftstreet Jan 29 #24
I think JD Vance is sufficiently ambitious to be feeling out cabinet sentiment about this.... viva la Jan 29 #26
He's a big problem, evil but passably sane. I can only refer to my Christmas fantasy I posted herein: NNadir Jan 29 #27
I'll ask for that in my letter to Santa! viva la Jan 29 #28
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