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Lizzie Poppet

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18. It already happened once.

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 04:35 PM

Dec 2012

Sure, there were lots of other reasons for the "1994 massacre," but there's little doubt that passage of the first AWB was a huge boon to the GOP. If any legislation offered in reaction to Sandy Point isn't written with extreme care, history will repeat itself in 2014. Mind you, the original AWB was signed into law only three weeks or so before the elections...and (sadly) the American electorate has the collective attention span of a gnat...but it's still a huge risk for the Democratic Party to push for a comprehensive, sweeping bill. Is compromising (but not remotely eliminating) the ability of spree killers* to obtain certain weapons worth the distinct possibility of losing the Senate? Where is the least harm?

*a class of criminal responsible for a fraction of one percent of all homicide

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Can you guess what all this talk, talk, talk about gun control is doing? [View all] 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 OP

Gin, guns, gays, ganja. Our nation is addicted to prohibition. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #1

Yep, who are we to deny these yahoos a chance to own an (or another) assault weapon? Hoyt Dec 2012 #2

Ah, Hoyt. You keep the vacuum tubes of prohibition glowing orange, long into the night Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #8

Happy New Year to all those so steeped in guns their user name is a reference to lethal weapons. Hoyt Dec 2012 #10

Well, blame it on Eleanor. Hear-tell Franklin only had a .32 by his side of the bed. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #21

Read that from NRA represents years ago. Democrats named after guns. . . . . Hoyt Dec 2012 #24

Why Thank You Hoyt!!! oneshooter Dec 2012 #25

Not a time to be proud of it, OS, but here's to a wonderful New year sans guns. Hoyt Dec 2012 #27

buncha goddamn pearl clutching puritans, i tells ya datasuspect Dec 2012 #23

And the false equivalency continues Scootaloo Dec 2012 #26

Stuff is smuggled in parts and in diff media, reassmb. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #43

it's the economy of the black market, and a matter of scale. Scootaloo Dec 2012 #44

"Gun parts are not so easy to make..." PavePusher Jan 2013 #94

And all of that is a hell of a lot more work than making bootleg alcohol. Scootaloo Jan 2013 #98

1. You've apparently never made "bootleg alcohol" in saleable quantities. PavePusher Jan 2013 #99

People make AK's in their toolsheds in Afghanistan Recursion Jan 2013 #103

Will....Not....Make....Obvious....Suggestion.... (nt) Paladin Jan 2013 #107

I admire your restraint (nt) Recursion Jan 2013 #108

Lots of things are prohibited and regulated. Some necessary, some not. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #56

Prohibition only works when there is near universal agreement Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #60

Regulation and prohibition (the goal of many here) must deal Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #100

What I find interesting, in a sick way, Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #3

Near as I can tell, the gun nuts envision a world where we all look like this 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #4

Ahhhh, the military glam shot. Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #5

Man, if I see someone like that, I'll get in line! Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #6

Yep, here are some fine folks from the Michigan Militia, confederate flags and all. Hoyt Dec 2012 #11

What a bunch of chickenshit wastes of oxygen. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #15

I agree. The deeper you get into the gun culture, the more disgusting this whole thing becomes. Hoyt Dec 2012 #16

Well, I hope that doesn't happen. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #20

No doubt all served in some branch of the armed forces. Rex Dec 2012 #29

I wouldn't be surprised if some of them did serve. Crackinrocket Dec 2012 #40

Guys like this crack me up Scootaloo Dec 2012 #30

Except I think they figure their guns will put them in control, and they can take whatever Hoyt Dec 2012 #33

I shudder just imagining it. Crackinrocket Dec 2012 #41

What wonderful poster children to represent gun owners. jmg257 Dec 2012 #39

In the first group pic upthread Tsiyu Jan 2013 #46

And then there are these ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #96

But let's don't let the racists terrorists have the friggin things. To keep Hoyt Jan 2013 #97

How stupid our culture is. Rex Dec 2012 #28

I was looking to buy a particular rifle for $1600 4 weeks ago and waffled... OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #7

Ever get the feeling we are being "played" 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #12

LBJ's programs make the present Democratic Party look center-right. And all I got was this stinking Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #22

cry me a river G_j Jan 2013 #93

Do it in the middle of the night? JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2012 #9

Call it "national security" 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #14

And this is what scares politicians more than anything. aikoaiko Dec 2012 #13

It already happened once. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #18

I was living in Tennessee in 2000. Gore's position on guns hurt him. nt rrneck Dec 2012 #36

Which probably cost him TN Lurks Often Jan 2013 #49

Gee whodathunkit n/t L0oniX Dec 2012 #17

Who, indeed. Igel Dec 2012 #19

I don't understand why some call them paranoid. Crackinrocket Dec 2012 #42

But no one is calling for banning anything, right? Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #64

And that's why you have to not only ban new arms, but ban possession. Let the suckers jmg257 Dec 2012 #31

What do you figure the compliance rate would be? 10% Maybe 15%? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #32

I don't know - how many "law abiding gun owners" want to become felons? jmg257 Dec 2012 #34

A lot. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #35

Good answer! :) I wonder just how many would REALLY take the risk. jmg257 Dec 2012 #38

How many "law abiding" DU'rs disregard marijuana laws? hack89 Jan 2013 #50

Huh - not really sure. Is marijuana use really a felony? jmg257 Jan 2013 #51

In most states it is. hack89 Jan 2013 #52

Wow - a felony? Around here it is mostly a violation, or a misdemeanor... jmg257 Jan 2013 #53

Owning a gun would be relatively risk free in many places hack89 Jan 2013 #55

I didn't see it that way. Figuring they realize they could eventually face those guns they ignore. jmg257 Jan 2013 #57

Why would they start killing cops when they are not doing it now? hack89 Jan 2013 #58

Right now they are not criminals; some cops will enforce new laws; jmg257 Jan 2013 #62

The point is all these new "illegal gun owners" were not threats before hack89 Jan 2013 #67

Not "all" - which of course is THE problem, hard to know who will be and who won't be... jmg257 Jan 2013 #69

Yes, any prohibition regime will kill people. Period. Recursion Jan 2013 #105

In the long run? yep. Don't think resistance would be that steadfast if a few examples were made. jmg257 Jan 2013 #106

In the State of Florida.. EX500rider Jan 2013 #95

How many pot users risk it? Recursion Jan 2013 #104

See #50 et. al. The risks must not be high enough, the public interest not serious enough. nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #109

What else in the BoR are you so anxious to repeal? Socal31 Jan 2013 #45

I don't disagree with any amendments. Just figure their 'restrictions, no matter jmg257 Jan 2013 #47

The individual right to bear arms is a new development Savannahmann Jan 2013 #54

Important, if true. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #59

Then allow me to help you. Savannahmann Jan 2013 #63

The reason why that doesn't support the statement is because the AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #68

There are quite a few links to that quote, all of which refer to an interview on PBS. jmg257 Jan 2013 #72

None of that changes the fact that the "SCOTUS" NEVER "felt it was a collective right." AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #77

LOL bongbong Jan 2013 #74

(1) No it doesn't. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #75

Ironic bongbong Jan 2013 #85

Actually, AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #86

Yes! bongbong Jan 2013 #87

Then how about some more links? I'll even exerpt them for you. Savannahmann Jan 2013 #76

As you said, "So Chief Justice Burger DIDN'T SAY FRAUD." Thank you. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #78

Was it considered an individual right? Savannahmann Jan 2013 #79

If facts matters, contrary to what was posted at #54, AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #80

You're just a hair short of delusional aren't you? Savannahmann Jan 2013 #81

You really can't infer anything from the SCOTUS declining to review a case slackmaster Jan 2013 #82

Seriously, you honestly think that? Savannahmann Jan 2013 #84

The SC hears only about 1% of cases that are presented to it slackmaster Jan 2013 #92

Obviously not. If facts matter, it was FALSELY STATED at #54 that AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #83

Though apparently - he did. Apparently there are transcripts (and DVDs) of him doing so. jmg257 Jan 2013 #89

Don't sweat it. Savannahmann Jan 2013 #112

You aren't arguing with a gun-nutter here. Socal31 Jan 2013 #90

Sorry - my post wasn't clear...not a "statement of disarming everyone of jmg257 Jan 2013 #91

Free speech is limited. Savannahmann Jan 2013 #113

The 2nd has been touched already, Socal31 Jan 2013 #114

SCOTUS deliberately avoided deciding either way in Miller Recursion Jan 2013 #110

Constitutional Law Professor Obama also said Savannahmann Jan 2013 #111

And you can have a quill pen and ink rl6214 Jan 2013 #116

The poster has a right to his/her opinion AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #102

Tots slackmaster Dec 2012 #37

Eww! What's that red, squelchy thing in the corner? randome Jan 2013 #61

Depends on where you live slackmaster Jan 2013 #65

Oh. It looks more like a mutant onion. But ketchup works well with tater tots! randome Jan 2013 #70

These people are sick in the head. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #48

YAwn n/t L0oniX Jan 2013 #66

more and more people to engage in a collective discussion which impacts our nation and our culture LanternWaste Jan 2013 #71

None can wish legislation into place nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #73

Nobody wants an honest, frank discussion about gun control. closeupready Jan 2013 #88

They swarm gun stores because the RW media tells them AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #101

The Newtown massacre was the best ad campaign for AR-15s since, well, ever. Electric Monk Jan 2013 #115

I know AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #117