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Bluetus

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30. That is the law. But the difference is the police don't get to decide that.

Sun Feb 1, 2026, 12:45 AM

Feb 1

That is why we have courts. Right now, ICE is acting as judge, jury, and quite literally, executioner.

Put the two ICE agents who executed Pretti (still unnamed but on administrative leave) on trial. Let the jury decide if Pretti, who was subdued on the ground with his gun removed was a threat to the agents. I guarantee you that the jury will find that it was the agents who were threatening. But go ahead and defend ICE with your hypotheticals. I will continue to call for a trial to decide this.

While you are at it, tell us why you don't think ICE should identify the executioners.

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If Cops Demand Your Window Down, DO THIS... [View all] Joinfortmill Jan 31 OP

What worries me is that these roid-raging thugs will interpret someone getting out as a threat-- viva la Jan 31 #1

You only get out if they tell you to nt EX500rider Jan 31 #6

Seldom do I watch YouTube's because they take too long to get to the point..but this was outstanding, easy to watch and Ninga Jan 31 #2

Here is a little bit different take on this... NowsTheTime Jan 31 #3

Transcript. If you can't copy and paste or print out a video. usonian Jan 31 #13

really good information Roc2020 Jan 31 #4

not necessarily good information cab67 Jan 31 #5

Basically stay in the car with window down & hands in sight unless told to exit EX500rider Jan 31 #7

When ordered to get out of your car, lock the door behind you. It becomes another 4th Amendment blockade and the cops OMGWTF Jan 31 #14

If they don't have permission or probable cause EX500rider Jan 31 #19

If they can make up any reason to arrest you Cerulean Southpaw Feb 1 #36

Yeah, if I haven't had any dopers in my car, I don't see any reason for not letting them search it RandomNumbers Feb 1 #41

It looks like an advertisement. I say situational awareness is the first rule of self defense. littlemissmartypants Jan 31 #8

In what neighborhood? Cirsium Jan 31 #9

+1 leftstreet Jan 31 #20

Would be nice to have a written list of do's and don't's . . . AverageOldGuy Jan 31 #10

Here you go. Jedi Guy Jan 31 #21

I used to get a lot of reels about how people act when a cop pulls them over, or otherwise approaches them. mucholderthandirt Jan 31 #24

To the best of my knowledge, ICE aren't cops in the way we normally think of them. Jedi Guy Feb 1 #34

If you rolled your window, can they just reach in and unlock the car? question everything Feb 1 #31

They could, yes. Jedi Guy Feb 1 #33

Question - if it's likely a traffic stop, why not just roll down the window before they even walk up? RandomNumbers Feb 1 #43

"if it's likely a traffic stop, why not just roll down the window before they even walk up?" Jedi Guy Feb 1 #48

Oh, common sense Fla_Democrat Feb 1 #44

"Common sense is a flower that doesn't grow in everyone's garden." Jedi Guy Feb 1 #47

Good luck rolling the window up & locking the door ...instead simply state that "I do not concent to any searches" NowsTheTime Jan 31 #11

Yes, You start rolling up your windows before getting out..... Zackzzzz Jan 31 #18

Transcript, in case you can'r memorize videos. usonian Jan 31 #12

So we should assume they won't prevent us from closing the door? Raven123 Jan 31 #15

Can't they just unlock the door Mossfern Jan 31 #16

The exception to everything he said.... Staph Jan 31 #17

Also bad advice in my opinion EX500rider Jan 31 #23

I live in a rural area where the closest populated area might be 10 miles away. MichMan Jan 31 #26

I haven't forgotten the murder of Cara Knott by on-duty CHP Craig Peyer in 1986 chia Jan 31 #27

I don't find it very good advice in my opinion EX500rider Jan 31 #22

I liked Chris Rock's video better Polybius Jan 31 #25

That's a good one! 👍nt Raine Feb 1 #32

It is probably good legal advice for a routine traffic stop, but it will not work with ICE Bluetus Jan 31 #28

"Understand that in every state AFAIK, assault does not require any physical contact." MichMan Feb 1 #29

That is the law. But the difference is the police don't get to decide that. Bluetus Feb 1 #30

I was merely responding to your hypothetical with another one MichMan Feb 1 #37

It is not a hypothetical Bluetus Feb 1 #38

OK MichMan Feb 1 #39

I never said that Bluetus Feb 1 #40

Several elected officials have talked about arresting ICE agents "If they break laws" MichMan Feb 1 #42

I have already identified the laws for you. There are many others Bluetus Feb 1 #45

I guess we just disagree MichMan Feb 1 #46

Won't happen in reality. RandiFan1290 Feb 1 #35