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Jack Sprat

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92. Obama is misjudging the people on this.

Reply to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 06:22 PM

Dec 2012

As I watch the comments come across Yahoo articles featuring the fiscal cliff negotiations, it looks overwhelmingly like scarcely anybody sides with McConnell and the repubs.

The vast majority want taxes raised for the wealthier Americans, and they oppose any cuts to SS via the chained CPI or anything else.

The vast majority are willing to go over the cliff if that's what it takes to win this argument. They don't want cuts to SS thru a chained CPI. They do want taxes raised on the 250K plus incomes instead of that.

I can't believe the President's team is willing to get this wrong. If he concedes to the repubs, there will be a backlash against him. Everyone but the rethug congress and the conservative media will blame him for caving this time.

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So now that Obama has said, himself, on MTP that he proposed Chained CPI... [View all] cthulu2016 Dec 2012 OP

Puke 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #1

No new goal post for me Shivering Jemmy Dec 2012 #2

SS DOES NOT ADD ONE NICKEL TO THE DEFICIT! It's not a deal. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #65

There is ProSense Dec 2012 #3

Thank you! bama_blue_dot Dec 2012 #7

So we should forgive Obama for even putting it on the table and regardless of what you and others Arcanetrance Dec 2012 #26

Harry Reid was on the Senate floor about 20 minutes ago bama_blue_dot Dec 2012 #33

Good for him making statements but the previous actions alot of times are the opposite Arcanetrance Dec 2012 #37

He said at this time, not in no deal. Nt daa Dec 2012 #66

The left moves right and the right moves left. What could go wrong? L0oniX Dec 2012 #43

Oh, that is bullshit Cosmocat Dec 2012 #82

CPI strengthening SS is BS and BO should be ashamed... shrdlu Dec 2012 #12

True, and ProSense Dec 2012 #15

Do you have any idea as to why it was proposed in the first place then? bama_blue_dot Dec 2012 #34

From a technical/academic point of view the chained CPI is more accurate for a general population grantcart Dec 2012 #42

This is true, and a CCPI with offsetting benefit increase would be fine cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #48

What is really odd to me is that with such a sizeable population on social security that grantcart Dec 2012 #53

The BLS has been calculating an elderly index for twenty or thirty years, but it's not used. PETRUS Dec 2012 #59

I just got a call yesterday. Fuddnik Dec 2012 #106

And when the price of meat goes up, they will eat cat food. Curmudgeoness Dec 2012 #50

Chained CPI is not 'more accurate' as a measure of consumer prices at all. I don't know why HiPointDem Dec 2012 #58

It's more accurate as a cost of living index mathematic Dec 2012 #72

So we have to be thankful to Republicans for turning it down now? sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #60

So, you're claiming, Obama offered something on SS that's not relevant to the Cliff talks? leveymg Dec 2012 #84

He was showing that he was the only one arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #4

Exactly.. bama_blue_dot Dec 2012 #8

"Some people" like me do comprehend, and it is repulsive to me. madfloridian Dec 2012 #11

We comprehend perfectly. The president we elected, offered cuts to SS sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #71

negotiating in good faith does not require cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #9

I understand that point.. bama_blue_dot Dec 2012 #16

Oh, but Pelosi says Chained CPI is not a cut. It strengthens, remember? djean111 Dec 2012 #31

He's bluffing! CHESS!! Obama *hearts* seniors! leftstreet Dec 2012 #5

[spits coffee on keyboard.] nashville_brook Dec 2012 #19

heh. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2012 #73

LOL Oilwellian Dec 2012 #94

Of course he did. He also put Social Security and Medicare on the table in the first round also. still_one Dec 2012 #6

Well, "todays" Democrats would never have created such programs. NorthCarolina Dec 2012 #45

Good point. still_one Dec 2012 #55

It's becoming clear that Obama thinks the long-term viability of Social Security alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #10

I dare say he has examined the numbers more thoroughly than you have. dkf Dec 2012 #14

The desperate last gasp... "He knows more than you do" cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #18

+10000000000 - the lame is strong on this one. nashville_brook Dec 2012 #20

When a person goes contrary to their natural constituency, there must be a good reason. dkf Dec 2012 #25

I hope our other "natural constituencies" actually vote Democratic because we lost seniors big cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #30

My, how the arguments evolve. Marr Dec 2012 #105

Our "informed" President and Congress gave us Iraq... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #21

+1 Matariki Dec 2012 #23

Please don't tell me you are equating the knowledge of Bush with bama_blue_dot Dec 2012 #39

If Obama believes we need to cut/slash Social Security in order to "save" it... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #115

There is certainly a policy debate to be had regarding the future of Social Security alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #22

I'm pretty sure he examined the situation in Benghazi more thoroughly than you did. Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2012 #24

Since Obama's repeatedly claimed that SS wasn't started for retirees, MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #29

He only said that because he knew you would reject it cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #32

Good point. Sometimes I forget about MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #35

Then he should be able to make a convincing argument and has the pulpit to make it. TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #110

I'd say it's WAY more clear that he doesn't give a shit about Social Security kenny blankenship Dec 2012 #27

Your position is also quite clear alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #36

I am glad he is doing something about the long term viability of Social Security democrattotheend Dec 2012 #114

As far as I know, President Obama has always supported Chained CPI. Not sure why this is news. limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #13

Do you have any links to show that he has always supported bama_blue_dot Dec 2012 #17

I could just tell by his beady eyes. limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #38

I heard OurPOTUS say he was against cuts to SS when I attended one of his rallies in September MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #28

Should have video taped it LOL. limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #44

I just checked the transcript. Yeah, OurPOTUS said "slashing" - most definitely a weasel word. MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #46

Weasle word is a nice way of saying 'a lie'. Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #68

Definitely a lie - a cowardly, weasely, two-faced lie. MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #101

From Daily Kos, Aug 18, 2011 Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #93

yeah that pretty much shows he was for it. limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #100

Just what JEB Dec 2012 #40

This is nothing but good cop bad cop sociopathic politics. L0oniX Dec 2012 #41

+1000 DeSwiss Dec 2012 #88

Looks like I'm not going to be eating crow after all. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #47

Wait until you retire Curmudgeoness Dec 2012 #52

I'll probably go with pigeon. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #64

I feel like a fool for having worked for him. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #49

I'm a senior and just underthematrix Dec 2012 #56

... SammyWinstonJack Dec 2012 #85

If you just started receiving SS, you paid the higher tax rates that Obama is so JDPriestly Dec 2012 #97

And that is the same situation here in my household. truedelphi Dec 2012 #67

Back at you underthematrix Dec 2012 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #80

Election? What election? Faygo Kid Dec 2012 #51

It's the same one it has always been -- Obama is doing what he can melody Dec 2012 #54

I'm going with: bvar22 Dec 2012 #57

+1 - no, wait - +1000 (to allow for chained CPI) djean111 Dec 2012 #61

+ 1,000 too n/t LarryNM Dec 2012 #76

+1000. And every single one of those seen here at DU. n/t Catherina Dec 2012 #108

+1, That's about it. Marr Dec 2012 #111

He got what he needed from us. Evergreen Emerald Dec 2012 #62

SS DOES NOT ADD ONE NICKEL TO THE DEFICIT. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #63

Someone should tell Obama because he is apparently NOT getting that! SammyWinstonJack Dec 2012 #86

I thought he ran on a platform of no cuts to Medicare or Social Security..... Swede Atlanta Dec 2012 #69

Perhaps that's his intent? Oilwellian Dec 2012 #99

cese cese Dec 2012 #70

+1000 DeSwiss Dec 2012 #87

I had been boycotting MTP, but made an exception this AM AnnieK401 Dec 2012 #74

K&R DeSwiss Dec 2012 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #78

And another episode of HairOnFireUnderground begins. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #79

Cry me a river. Now that you can't crow about a deal that didn't happen, you do this. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #81

This isn't about Obama cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #90

You're right. Obama's not the problem. It's your attitude. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #102

Nixon, Gingrich, and Karl Rove qualify as political experts. bvar22 Dec 2012 #112

Nixon would never do that No Compromise Dec 2012 #83

Global thermonuclear chess progressoid Dec 2012 #89

the true believers will never admit bowens43 Dec 2012 #91

Obama is misjudging the people on this. Jack Sprat Dec 2012 #92

SS cuts is what BO wants. 4 more years Dec 2012 #95

For a president that supposedly "wants to cut SS", CheapShotArtist Dec 2012 #98

What do you think? He was waiting for reelection. MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #103

Social Security is not going to be cut. CheapShotArtist Dec 2012 #107

Is it too late for an election do-over? JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #96

The new goal post is to interpret Republican refusals of SS cuts, from late 2008 kenny blankenship Dec 2012 #104

The poverty exception assured it wouldn't be adopted. joshcryer Dec 2012 #109

Instead of Obama, we should have elected THIS guy! bvar22 Dec 2012 #113