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Tom Rinaldo

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11. Those are all good and fair questions, I agree
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:43 PM
Dec 2012

And the word "middle" in "middle class" is an elastic social concept because it is not tied to any precise formula, with no one really holding the authority to establish such a formula anyway. But even though elastic stretches, it can't be infinitely strectched without snapping and ceasing to be useful. At some point common sense has to be applied even without a precise formula. It just seemed to me that calling the top 2% part of "the middle class", even acknowledging all the variables you mentioned above, is too much of a stretch. It is true that people at the $250,000 a year income level in many ways have more in common with people making $50,000 a year than they do with people making $50,000,000 a year, but I would argue that's sort of like saying a dog has more in common with a cat than it does with a parrot, but it still is not a cat.

And in this case we are not having a theoretical abstract discussion, we are defining acceptable levels of imposed fiscal austerity based on a equally undefined concept of "shared sacrifice". Common sense has to be applied because real decisions must be made and standards are being defined in hard terms in Washington DC as we speak. You are absolutely correct that this discussion is about the upper boundary of a rather large interval, and in short my point is to agree with your observation that it's "Perhaps too large,"

It's being argued for policy purposes that people earning at the 98th percentile need a continuing tax break because, among other things, "the middle class has suffered enough". But their proposed tax break reduces federal revenues and thus increases by that same amount the funds that will need to be cut from budget items that millions of people far below the top 2% depend on. That type of reasoning fails the sniff test.

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WTF? Since when does sitting on the two yard line place you in the middle of the field? MADem Dec 2012 #1
Since George W. Bush was born on third base and the "liberally-biased media" zbdent Dec 2012 #4
Actually his father was born there before him n/t Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #5
Thanks. I usually don't do football analogies... Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #14
I normally am not a real fan of 'em either--but yours was a GEM! MADem Dec 2012 #15
For historical perspective, in 1955 there were 24 tax brackets. Adjusting for inflation... JHB Dec 2012 #2
*Cough* They SIMPLIFIED the tax code. It's GOOD to make things simpler. Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #3
We almost had that back at the end of Reagan JHB Dec 2012 #16
Excellent point. 98th percentile is NOT "middle class" - downandoutnow Dec 2012 #6
"Solidarity forever". Had that been true most of us would be a lot better off. Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #18
very well written! renate Dec 2012 #7
There's an old fashioned term; "Well to do" (or "well off" for a less archaic alternative). Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #10
k/r limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #8
Middle class =/= middle income. Igel Dec 2012 #9
Those are all good and fair questions, I agree Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #11
If 50K is the "true" middle, and we accept that people SoCalDem Dec 2012 #12
Currently "middle class" in America is defined from full time hours at minimum wage TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #13
The term "middle class" is distorted the same way the term "small business" is distorted Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #17
One kick in remembrence of prior Democratic Party campaign pledges. n/t Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #19
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