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Cirsium

(3,644 posts)
152. Naming reality clearly
Thu Feb 5, 2026, 08:09 PM
1 hr ago

I think that’s the core issue. What gets called “realism” too often turns out to be a refusal to face conditions as they actually are. We’ve seen over multiple cycles that minimizing the nature of the threat and narrowing demands hasn’t preserved power or prevented losses. At some point realism has to mean naming reality clearly, not endlessly adjusting around it.

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Well played. Permanut 8 hrs ago #1
Absolutely! FalloutShelter 7 hrs ago #14
What are we playing? Own the libs? Ilikepurple 3 hrs ago #111
Please define critical discussion mcar 2 hrs ago #123
abolish ICE is not gonna happen and it is a bad look. there are some things I would like to see happen msongs 8 hrs ago #2
OK, did Shumer and Jeffries meet that minimum? Escurumbele 6 hrs ago #50
Seems to me they have mcar 2 hrs ago #124
Also stop the roving kidnap patrols sboatcar 6 hrs ago #71
Well done. sheshe2 8 hrs ago #3
They're hiding under the couch hoping GOP unpopularity will propel them to majority. Won't work. 617Blue 8 hrs ago #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Gore1FL 7 hrs ago #12
People keep forgetting we have a MINORITY STATUS in Congress Just_Vote_Dem 8 hrs ago #5
You're right. If we don't understand that, MineralMan 8 hrs ago #7
The solution is not to roll over hoping for a belly scratch.. NT Gore1FL 7 hrs ago #15
Sorry that doesn't hold water LearnedHand 1 hr ago #136
Abolish ICE Prairie Gates 8 hrs ago #6
Great Idea. Now...How do you do that in reality? MineralMan 8 hrs ago #8
Abolish ICE Prairie Gates 7 hrs ago #9
You already said that. It's a great idea. MineralMan 7 hrs ago #11
Abolish ICE Prairie Gates 7 hrs ago #13
So you got nothing. beaglelover 7 hrs ago #20
Abolish ICE Prairie Gates 7 hrs ago #22
In two words. MineralMan 7 hrs ago #24
Abolish ICE Prairie Gates 7 hrs ago #26
I want a pony. tritsofme 6 hrs ago #64
Abolish ICE Prairie Gates 6 hrs ago #66
I want TWO ponies! tritsofme 5 hrs ago #84
Abolish ICE Prairie Gates 4 hrs ago #94
huh? Cirsium 3 hrs ago #117
Imagine thinking antifascism is wanting a pony! Prairie Gates 1 hr ago #139
When I started hearing that "pony" nonsense Cirsium 1 hr ago #142
The same supposed realists now asking how many mask wearing fascists should be allowed Prairie Gates 1 hr ago #145
Naming reality clearly Cirsium 1 hr ago #152
Not really. Just "pull the plug" basically. FoxNewsSucks 7 hrs ago #41
Well, then they can scream that Schumer/Jeffries "caved" mcar 2 hrs ago #126
My idea? JustAnotherGen 7 hrs ago #29
Use the Senate rules to stop ICE funding. Gore1FL 7 hrs ago #19
Both of my Senators would vote that way. MineralMan 7 hrs ago #23
No help from my Senators, unfortunately calguy 5 hrs ago #90
So using your voice to influence legislators is okay or not? Ilikepurple 3 hrs ago #103
Neither would. Josh Hawley and Eric Schmitt are into white nationalism. Gore1FL 1 hr ago #149
+1 GOP poll numbers make them vulnerable leftstreet 7 hrs ago #25
I'm going beyond that JustAnotherGen 7 hrs ago #30
That's the bottom line Prairie Gates 7 hrs ago #38
ICE has already been funded, it will continue to operate during a shutdown, and... W_HAMILTON 7 hrs ago #33
probably, but instead of rolling belly up, Dems should MAKE tRump do that. FoxNewsSucks 7 hrs ago #43
Who is "rolling belly up?" nt mcar 2 hrs ago #128
We do it when we have a trifect JustAnotherGen 6 hrs ago #56
That's a nice idea, but a Sinema/Manchin/Fetterman/LIEbermann du jour FoxNewsSucks 4 min ago #161
So, They have money now and if we try to stop them from getting more... Gore1FL 4 hrs ago #100
Vote against funding ICE for starters iemanja 6 hrs ago #63
It starts with advocay Cirsium 5 hrs ago #77
In reality, the next president can just issue intheflow 5 hrs ago #91
Missed the point, again, I see. Gore1FL 7 hrs ago #10
No, I did not. I missed nothing. MineralMan 7 hrs ago #18
So the intention is to gaslight? Gore1FL 4 hrs ago #98
OK Cirsium 3 hrs ago #118
Is constantly bashing Schumer/Jeffries, mcar 2 hrs ago #129
"Bashing" vs accountability Cirsium 1 hr ago #132
He did not miss the point. murielm99 5 hrs ago #79
I didn't know the point of DU was to cower in the corner. Gore1FL 4 hrs ago #101
I'm a purist when it comes to fascist gangs kidnapping and murdering people in the street Prairie Gates 1 hr ago #141
Sooooo when elected Dems want to grease the skids for FoxNewsSucks 1 min ago #162
Well said! beaglelover 7 hrs ago #16
ICE hasn't been around that long, it was a fascist invention just like the debt ceiling, we can be the go along party or yaesu 7 hrs ago #17
What sort of fighting are you talking about? MineralMan 7 hrs ago #21
I would argue that there are "turning points" in between elections Ilikepurple 3 hrs ago #115
This point would have been arguable decades ago FHRRK 7 hrs ago #27
+1 leftstreet 5 hrs ago #78
It's very frustrating. Quiet Em 7 hrs ago #28
Dividing the Democratic Party is key. Targeting customized anti-Democratic attacks to fit. betsuni 7 hrs ago #36
Bingo! mcar 2 hrs ago #130
Nonsense Cirsium 7 hrs ago #31
"People can disagree with leadership and still be loyal Democrats." W_HAMILTON 7 hrs ago #34
I strongly question that Cirsium 7 hrs ago #40
As a progressive myself, i am cleaning up my own house here. W_HAMILTON 7 hrs ago #44
Out of line Cirsium 5 hrs ago #76
I'm not sure what cleaning house means other than resolving to silence progressive voices Ilikepurple 2 hrs ago #119
And again, everyone here did vote for those people. Scrivener7 1 hr ago #148
Why do you question that? MineralMan 6 hrs ago #46
Of course Cirsium 5 hrs ago #80
"No single raindrop thinks it's responsible for the flood." W_HAMILTON 3 hrs ago #104
Democrat Party? MineralMan 4 hrs ago #97
Hardly Cirsium 3 hrs ago #107
Agree--I'm so tired of being accused of not being a loyal Democrat if I disagree with leadership on occasion crimycarny 6 hrs ago #54
Not having majorities in the House and Senate 3825-87867 5 hrs ago #93
FYI SocialDemocrat61 3 hrs ago #112
You're telling Mineral Man to stop with the purity tests? mcar 2 hrs ago #131
Correct Cirsium 1 hr ago #133
And those bashing Schumer/Jeffries aren't? mcar 1 hr ago #134
I agree with that Cirsium 1 hr ago #140
A. You invoked purity mcar 1 hr ago #144
I know Cirsium 1 hr ago #151
Thank you Cirsium! mcar 1 hr ago #153
Thank you! Cirsium 1 hr ago #154
Come on angrychair 7 hrs ago #32
My answer has to do with only one thing - Elections. MineralMan 7 hrs ago #35
Yes we need to vote D. We also need to inspire nonvoters to do so. we can do it 7 hrs ago #39
No one person will meet 100% of any persons requirements. 1WorldHope 6 hrs ago #52
"Plump bump" Seinan Sensei 6 hrs ago #59
The full title is plump bump on my rump😎 1WorldHope 6 hrs ago #68
And I don't think criticizing leadership on certain issues equates to wanting 100% crimycarny 21 min ago #160
Abolish ICE we can do it 7 hrs ago #37
Yeah, that Got Us So Far in 2016 and 2024 Cha 7 hrs ago #42
These 2 are not meeting the moment, end of story dsp3000 7 hrs ago #45
I see. And I should be listening to you because... MineralMan 6 hrs ago #47
The Author Didn't Say You Should. It's A Declarative, Not An Imperative. ColoringFool 3 hrs ago #106
You made a post. The poster replied. How is their action more deserving of a snide dismissal than yours is? Scrivener7 1 hr ago #135
Not even 95%! hay rick 6 hrs ago #48
Just so. MineralMan 6 hrs ago #49
Exactly. betsuni 6 hrs ago #67
This message was self-deleted by its author hadEnuf 6 hrs ago #51
The only way to avoid disappointment is to lack principles. Renew Deal 6 hrs ago #53
Politicians doing politics, governing. No! True saviors MAKE evil disappear with magic FIGHTING to MEET THE MOMENT. betsuni 6 hrs ago #55
What I want to see. . . . BigDemVoter 6 hrs ago #57
The Trick Is to Get That Majority in Congress. MineralMan 6 hrs ago #69
THANK YOU! MorbidButterflyTat 6 hrs ago #58
Most of us care about standing up to fascism iemanja 6 hrs ago #60
Um. If 24 Republicans voted against a bill that only 7 Democrats voted for, there is no way it passed. Wiz Imp 6 hrs ago #73
You're right iemanja 4 hrs ago #99
Yeah. Don't vote. That'll show them. CountMyVote4Reality 6 hrs ago #61
Vote in the Democratic primaries and vote for Progressive Democratic candidates! Clouds Passing 6 hrs ago #62
Please point to ANYONE saying they won't vote aocommunalpunch 6 hrs ago #65
Anyone saying they won't vote is not here on DU. MineralMan 6 hrs ago #70
Insisting on political purity is what defeats Democratic candidates . love_katz 6 hrs ago #72
This message was self-deleted by its author orangecrush 6 hrs ago #74
Recommended. H2O Man 6 hrs ago #75
Agree completely. cksmithy 5 hrs ago #81
Elections have consequences. love_katz 5 hrs ago #82
. Zelda_Orchid 5 hrs ago #83
I don't berate some for being upset, especially the current situation with ICE. mdbl 5 hrs ago #85
We're the minority party. Where's the advantage? QueerDuck 4 hrs ago #95
Did you miss the part where the Senate can't pass the ICE portion without Democrats? mdbl 3 hrs ago #113
Everyone has reasons for supporting or not supporting the politicians that are elected to represent them. Nanjeanne 5 hrs ago #86
This is an awesome post. Scrivener7 1 hr ago #137
Thanks. It's just how I feel. Nanjeanne 57 min ago #159
here's my deal quakerboy 5 hrs ago #87
It's more about people being tired of those who think performative resistance Rob H. 5 hrs ago #88
I am reminded of a line in Amiri Baraka's poem... NNadir 5 hrs ago #89
Yes! You speak for me! They should just IGNORE that we're the MINORITY party... QueerDuck 5 hrs ago #92
I think that may be the biggest straw man I've seen all week. Iggo 4 hrs ago #96
Well, ya know, shit's not going to stir itself. Someone's gotta do it. Scrivener7 1 hr ago #138
I agree. BannonsLiver 3 hrs ago #102
How Is Agreeing To Masks Making "No Masks" "Possible To.... ColoringFool 3 hrs ago #105
Bruce Springsteen - STREETS OF MINNEAPOLIS Emile 3 hrs ago #108
Reality is sometimes hard to accept Progressive dog 3 hrs ago #109
I Would Like A Positive Example Of When Compromise With Republicans Has Helped Achieve... ColoringFool 3 hrs ago #110
A straw man. Nice. themaguffin 3 hrs ago #114
As others have correctly pointed out, this is a straw man fallacy. De-rec. nt Celerity 3 hrs ago #116
How so? It seems we'll reasoned and right on target. QueerDuck 2 hrs ago #121
this part: Celerity 1 hr ago #156
This message was self-deleted by its author QueerDuck 1 hr ago #157
It's a truthful parody of the ridiculous complains and... QueerDuck 58 min ago #158
Waiting for permission from the future Cirsium 2 hrs ago #120
Why aren't they impeaching Trump RIGHT NOW!!11 mcar 2 hrs ago #122
Apparently they are lazy and too old... QueerDuck 1 hr ago #143
Spineless, Turd Wayers mcar 1 hr ago #146
I don't agree with Schumer and Jeffries 100% of the time SocialDemocrat61 2 hrs ago #125
RESCIND bdamomma 2 hrs ago #127
🪄🧙‍♂️🔮🧚‍♀️ It's so easy. Just do it. QueerDuck 1 hr ago #147
I understand that the Democratic leadership markodochartaigh 1 hr ago #150
I am regularly disappointed in both of those guys. MontanaMama 1 hr ago #155
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