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Wiz Imp

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34. You didn't read the article. At the time of the article, it mentions median household income was around $50,000
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 12:24 PM
Feb 8

Not $75,000. This also refers to the income level where people can afford to participate in these sports. The income levels for those who can achieve Olympic level would be significantly higher. As it was, the income level for Alpine skiing was at least in the top 5% of all households - just to participate not be Olympic level.

Instead of focusing on the "silver spoon" comment, try addressing the point the OP was making which was that it takes a ton of money to be able to reach olympic level in most winter sports, which automatically means that the vast majority come fom family backgrounds with significant money that they can afford to spend the tens of thousand of dollars per year required to reach the olympics.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/the-cost-of-raising-an-olympic-winter-athlete/2022061/
It Can Take a Mountain of Money to Raise a Winter Olympian
Raising a brother and sister to be world junior champion ice dancers has cost the family more than $500,000 on their journey — so far

"When they were starting out, it was just a thousand or two a year early on. Then it started ramping up steadily as they started competing nationally and then internationally," Richard Parsons said, noting the annual expenses increased from an average of $40,000 a year to $75,000 last year.

And the Maryland family is not an outlier in how much it spends — eye-popping expenses are par for the course for most Olympians. Parsons said some teams in their sport spend more than $100,000 a year to train at the elite level.

Mike Trapp, the 2011 and 2012 U.S. snowboarding champion, said an average season training costs about $35,000 in equipment, coaching and traveling expenses. It's more expensive in a year leading up to the Olympics.

Sorry, but those types of expenses can not be afforded by average middle class families.

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/the-winter-olympics-are-amazing-but-also-a-shining-beacon-of-sports-privilege
The Winter Olympics are amazing, but also a shining beacon of sports privilege
So let's come back to luge. In order to be good at luge, you have to train at special facilities, which costs money—Mazdzer went to the National Sports Academy for high school in Lake Placid, a private school where I assume luge was his primary focus. Almost every obscure winter sport athlete from America either comes from reasonable wealth or found a benefactor. (Mazdzer's dad is a neurologist, while his teammate Tucker West's father is a wealthy entrepreneur who built him his own track at home.) It's limited by geography, because you're not going to take up luge in a hotter climate. And it's limited by popularity, because what kid would want to take up luge?

If you want to know why Germany is so good at the sport, read this piece—it's because they have a ton of luge clubs, invest more money than any other country, have more tracks, and start their athletes young. In other words, they manage on a national level to mitigate the limits of two factors, money and desirability. (If you've noticed that Norway seems to dominate cross country events, while the Netherlands is virtually unbeatable in long track speed skating and South Korea can't lose in short track, the answer is the same on an institutional level: They care more.)

Here's some trivia: How many luge tracks are there in America? Answer: There are two. TWO TRACKS! One in Lake Placid, and one in Park City, UT. There are four continents on this planet, including South America and Africa, that have zero! For training and competitive purposes, there are only 16 in the whole world. Similarly, Lake Placid has one of just six ski jumping facilities in the country...of course some of our Olympians have come from my hometown. It's the same with the Norwich athletes profiled in the Times, almost all of whom compete in specific winter sports available only to more affluent cold-climate athletes.

In Usain Bolt's heyday, I believe that you could search the planet for months and not find a single human being who could run faster over 100 meters. But if everyone had the same chance at luge? Odds are, there are dozens, perhaps hundreds, perhaps thousands of better lugers hiding in places where they'll never touch a sled. I hate to break out the p-word, since it's so badly overused, but so many winter Olympics sports are sports of privilege—rich people picking out obscure events they can excel at. The games are a wonderful spectacle, but look too closely, and the foundation of excellence starts to look pretty wobbly.


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Biathlon and x country skiingis often military or ex military from cold places JT45242 Feb 7 #1
I would hardly call downhill sports (snowboarding/skiing) "elitist". sir pball Feb 7 #3
Day passes at skiing resorts are crazy expensive...throw in gear JT45242 Feb 7 #7
It certainly does not need to be that expensive. sir pball Feb 7 #11
Agreed PJMcK Feb 7 #2
the nordic skiing events generally highlight warfare skills rampartd Feb 7 #4
There's a theory ... Straw Man Feb 9 #64
what can they possibly be thinking as they stand near the top of a freakin' alp .......... rampartd Feb 9 #66
You probably have to be at least edhopper Feb 7 #5
Realistically you have to be middle class to pursue any non-major-league sport. sir pball Feb 7 #12
And? So what? BannonsLiver Feb 7 #6
Is there a rule that all sports oberle Feb 7 #8
Then I Suggest You Not Watch the Winter Olympics. MineralMan Feb 7 #9
Snort! electric_blue68 Feb 8 #30
Where are you getting this information? mysteryowl Feb 7 #10
You are wrong, on both counts obamanut2012 Feb 7 #13
For years it was design to keep the working class Johonny Feb 7 #14
Curling is expensive? Speed skating? Hockey? tinrobot Feb 7 #15
Hockey is definitely expensive. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 7 #22
Yes, it's a couple of thousands of dollars a year. sir pball Feb 7 #26
A pair of quality ice skates isn't any more expensive than a pair of top name brand basketball shoes MichMan Feb 8 #37
Figure Skating has athletes who can't afford their costumes MagickMuffin Feb 8 #39
Those costumes are ridiculously expensive! SheltieLover Feb 8 #55
Indeed, Madison Chock's costumes are Devine MagickMuffin Feb 8 #59
I agree, comments annoy me. SheltieLover Feb 8 #60
Ok... oof what an odd post. themaguffin Feb 7 #16
Disagree. nt Celerity Feb 7 #17
Bryan Sosoo - Bobsled Deep State Witch Feb 7 #18
Ah. I'm happy to find out that Simon Biles was born into the lap of luxury. Igel Feb 7 #19
Lots of people here complain about multi millionaires not paying enough in taxes MichMan Feb 8 #33
A number of high schools here in the Minnesota Twin Cities MineralMan Feb 7 #20
Polo hasn't been an Olympic sport since 1936. That said... sir pball Feb 7 #24
high school hockey in MN is as big as HS football in TX pstokely Feb 8 #62
Alysa Liu quaint Feb 7 #21
And ???? JI7 Feb 7 #23
Man, as I read this thread (language warning)... sir pball Feb 7 #25
If your assessment is in error, that error is RockRaven Feb 7 #27
Despite all the negative comments, the point you were trying to make is in fact correct. Wiz Imp Feb 7 #28
Median household income is around $75k. Those ranges you cite aren't exactly describing wealthy silver spooners. tritsofme Feb 7 #29
You didn't read the article. At the time of the article, it mentions median household income was around $50,000 Wiz Imp Feb 8 #34
Plenty of opportunities at HS and College levels in winter sports MichMan Feb 8 #35
Nothing you say changes the fact that to become a winter Olympian in the US, Wiz Imp Feb 8 #42
That's meaningless data-it's just "what sports rich people like the most". sir pball Feb 8 #63
From chapter 3, Eat the Rich, of the how-to book "Provoking Progressives and Lampooning Liberals." betsuni Feb 8 #31
I'm not sure exactly what that means with regards to sports fujiyamasan Feb 8 #32
Youth hockey equipment is readily available second hand as kids grow out of it. MichMan Feb 8 #36
The issue isn't the cost of equipment. Wiz Imp Feb 8 #44
Given that the US and Canadian Olympic Hockey teams mostly use NHL players, why does the cost of youth hockey matter? MichMan Feb 8 #47
So you think a hockey player can make the NHL with having been a successful Youth player? Wiz Imp Feb 8 #48
I can't figure out why anyone cares about the cost of any sport or hobby unless they are the ones doing it. MichMan Feb 8 #49
And I can't figure out why you or anyone cares about someone pointing out the factual Wiz Imp Feb 8 #53
It seems to bother you quite a bit for some reason MichMan Feb 8 #54
Doesn't bother me but It really seems to bother you significantly. Nobody is forcing you to keep rsponding. Wiz Imp Feb 8 #56
Evan Lysacek, 2010 gold medal figure skater, phylny Feb 8 #38
Figure Skater Todd Eldredge raised funds through his community MagickMuffin Feb 8 #41
From what I gather, his coaching had to cost at least $30,000 a year Wiz Imp Feb 8 #46
"Not everyone is from wealthy families, they have to be creative in finding sponsors and fund raising." MichMan Feb 8 #50
Who cares? Boo1 Feb 8 #40
I competely missed the part where the OP said a damn thing about people enjoying the Winter Olympics Wiz Imp Feb 8 #45
Guess you don't read between the lines much Boo1 Feb 8 #51
The OP said it was all full of "entitlement and leisure class athletes" MichMan Feb 8 #52
Ok. It costs money to play sports at a high level. equipment, time, etc. What's your point? Captain Stern Feb 8 #43
Truly who cares. These are people who've devoted their lives to fitness Melon Feb 8 #57
Far cry from 1980 lake placid. yourout Feb 8 #58
winter sports are for American rich kids pstokely Feb 8 #61
The traditional alpine skiing disciplines can be practiced at any moderate-sized facility. Straw Man Feb 9 #65
🥱 QueerDuck Feb 9 #67
Sounds serious Torchlight Feb 9 #68
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