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JDPriestly

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79. As one who has successfully negotiated in difficult situations, I would say it is pretty stupid.
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 04:22 AM
Dec 2012

When you are negotiating, you make demands and then respond to the counterdemand from the other side. You try to get every single thing you want, and you let the other side know that you do not plan to accept less.

You have to show your negotiating opponent that you are willing to risk a bad outcome in order to get a good one.

You do not give anything until the other side makes an offer you can accept.

And above all, you have really good arguments and reasons for insisting on no compromise.

You do not go into negotiations with a mindset that you will compromise. You go in with the mindset that what you are asking for is right, that you and the people you are representing have a right to what they are demanding and that the other side is in the wrong and should give you what you propose.

It is utterly stupid, utterly stupid to go into a negotiation and accept abominable terms offered by the other side.

Obama should have gone public about the recalcitrance of the Republicans long ago. And he should never, ever put anything to do with Social Security or Medicare on the table. Those programs are sacrosanct in America. Read the polls.

That he put those programs on the table makes him look weak and desperate, not smart.

Negotiating is a test of wills. If your negotiating opponent recognizes the strength of your purpose and your determination and in addition recognizes that you are speaking from a solid core of integrity and honesty, you will get close to what you want if not all you want for those you are representing. It is a matter of inner, core moral strength. It comes from caring about those you are representing and having the facts at your fingertips. If you are really committed to your cause, you will stun the other side.

That is how it really works.

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yay!!! unblock Dec 2012 #1
Thanks. The Dems Cha Dec 2012 #2
i just got in on the end of the report....the reporter dana...? said it. spanone Dec 2012 #5
Just guessing here... Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #10
Sounds like an Cha Dec 2012 #12
Thank you for the heads up spanone sasha031 Dec 2012 #3
Chained CPI should have never been on the table. Period. AndyA Dec 2012 #4
Because Obama is withdrawing it, or GOP won't accept it? leftstreet Dec 2012 #6
Probably because the Dems pulled it Cali_Democrat Dec 2012 #7
The Dem Senate won't accept it cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #8
So now the Dem Senate is anti-Obama? Are they haters? leftstreet Dec 2012 #13
You don't have to be anti Obama to not agree arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #16
Oh, but you do alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #20
as someone who is thankful prez obama is the president.... BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2012 #54
Uncivil is a good description alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #55
Agreed. He should not have put the chained CPI on the table, but I am glad that he is JDPriestly Dec 2012 #78
thank YOU. JDPriestly BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2012 #89
Have you been on vacation? Doctor_J Dec 2012 #70
I never see creeksneakers2 Dec 2012 #75
I get that this is your usual comedy routine alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #19
You're thinking of someone else leftstreet Dec 2012 #25
The ten o'clock show is always the same as the eight o'clock show alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #32
It is due to the huge opposition to the inclusion of these cuts to SS by sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #26
Agreed alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #33
If chained CPI is really off the table who gets the credit? hay rick Dec 2012 #77
The people who screamed bloody murder get the credit. Those who tried to shut sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #80
Chained CPI means tax increases as well as Social Security benefit cuts. bornskeptic Dec 2012 #88
+1 n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #48
Dems know the Repubicans will accuse them of cutting Social Security during the next election Samantha Dec 2012 #24
I depend on SS, but am hardly indigent.` juajen Dec 2012 #71
Just because Prez Obama offered them chained CPI before doesn't mean he's offering it now magical thyme Dec 2012 #41
Obama took it off the table when Boehner rejected it before the Plan B vote DevonRex Dec 2012 #43
This whole thing can give you quite the headache union_maid Dec 2012 #9
Indeed.. I'm like.. Cha Dec 2012 #14
Only if you follow it here on HairOnFireUnderground. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #29
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #49
Best post of the fucking week. And that includes all mine. cliffordu Dec 2012 #59
Bingo ! nt jaysunb Dec 2012 #63
LOL!! Ziiiiinnnngggg!! nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #69
Whew Doctor_J Dec 2012 #11
Ever consider the possibility of posturing as a negotiating tactic to create a public uproar? proverbialwisdom Dec 2012 #27
Not if one thinks that the President is CakeGrrl Dec 2012 #39
It must be tiring ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #52
I have been on his side for a long time, and just juajen Dec 2012 #68
Question ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #73
As one who has successfully negotiated in difficult situations, I would say it is pretty stupid. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #79
Having, also, successfully negotiated ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #81
I am a very small white woman. I look older, middle class if not disheveled. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #91
You mean ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #51
Obama has always sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #64
No he hasn't ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #72
Better situated members sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #82
We've gone through this ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #83
Raising income taxes sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #84
Capital Gains was on the table ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #85
More and more sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #86
Removing the money ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #90
Obama should have put death panels in ObamaCare. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #30
Just to clarify democrattotheend Dec 2012 #15
^^yep. nashville_brook Dec 2012 #17
Exactly. It's a brief reprieve, nothing more. forestpath Dec 2012 #36
Good. Taverner Dec 2012 #18
some updates cal04 Dec 2012 #21
thanks, been looking for a link!!!! spanone Dec 2012 #22
Oh dear god. Hatchling Dec 2012 #23
That is exactly how some people will view it. The corporatists who are in control will merely plethoro Dec 2012 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #28
That is good news. I just hope it holds true. n/t RebelOne Dec 2012 #31
I'm so fucking confused leftstreet Dec 2012 #34
somehow i knew you would see it that way. spanone Dec 2012 #35
This am Obama supported chained CPI. Now GOPers opposing it leftstreet Dec 2012 #37
GOP Demands Social Security Cuts -- Then Buckles... spanone Dec 2012 #42
I wish democrattotheend Dec 2012 #47
and they will demand it for everything that comes along. you betcha. spanone Dec 2012 #57
I post Friday that this might happen. Will it help the Republicans as long as they plethoro Dec 2012 #53
Democrats and Republicans just switched sides. Now Dems can be blamed... madfloridian Dec 2012 #44
"because we can't win an argument that has Social Security for seniors versus taxes for the rich." hootinholler Dec 2012 #45
Whatever it takes. TDale313 Dec 2012 #56
There's an awful lot of wiggle room in those statements. Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #60
No surprise bhikkhu Dec 2012 #38
Reid: "we’ll not agree to cut Social Security benefits as part of a small or short-term agreement.” Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #40
It seems like Obama and the Repukes are for cutting benefits (CPI) Doctor_J Dec 2012 #46
No, I don't think so. He said at the very beginning that SS did not contribute to the juajen Dec 2012 #74
No three dee chess. Just politics. cliffordu Dec 2012 #58
Damn well better be. SSI is spit in the ocean. These obstinate bastards are trying geckosfeet Dec 2012 #61
Obama wants it, GOP wants it, Pelosi isn't adverse to it.... NorthCarolina Dec 2012 #62
Bernie Sanders and other Dems are against it so I hope they prevail. Cleita Dec 2012 #65
I'm pretty sure there's a good reason congress saw fit to draft their own NorthCarolina Dec 2012 #66
i hope it is samsingh Dec 2012 #67
Good. I called my entire delegation, as well as incoming's, about it. Guess they got the message.nt silvershadow Dec 2012 #76
Corker's a clown; it's not for him to take off the table. nt Romulox Dec 2012 #87
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