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In reply to the discussion: Can anyone provide a reason for more than 3 rounds? [View all]geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)61. There are several reasons. Link herein.
Many plinking and target pistols use 10 round magazines. The majority of the more expensive pistols have 5 round magazines.
Bullseye (shooting competition)
This is an interesting report on firearms discharges for the NYPD. It is a pdf.
NYPD Annual Firearms Discharge report
. . a single incident can significantly skew averages. For this reason, with small samples, the mode can be most revelatory [see Figure A.10]. The mode for the number of shots fired by police is one.
The chart is on page 8. In 27% of incidents 1 shot was fired. In 15% two shots were fired. But I can guarantee you - none of the officers involved in any of those incidents would have wanted to be carrying any less ammunition in their magazines. Neither would any private citizens who were forced to defend themselves.
There are some states (MA is one) that already restrict possession of magazines that carry more than 10 rounds. I'd say look to those states. Evaluate the effectiveness of their firearms laws, and go from there rather than trying to get legislators to implement unproven proposals.
One of the things that the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban attempted to do was ban high capacity magazines.
Federal Assault Weapons Ban
The Act also defined and banned 'large capacity ammunition feeding devices', which generally applied to magazines or other ammunition feeding devices with capacities of greater than a certain number of rounds, and that up to the time of the Act were considered normal or factory magazines. Media and popular culture referred to these as 'high capacity magazines or feeding devices'. Depending on the locality and type of firearm, the cutoff between a 'normal' capacity and 'high' capacity magazine was 3, 7, 10, 12, 15, or 20 rounds. The now defunct federal ban set the limit at 10 rounds.
During the period when the AWB was in effect, it was illegal to manufacture any firearm that met the law's flowchart of an assault weapon or large capacity ammunition feeding device, except for export or for sale to a government or law enforcement agency. The law also banned possession of illegally imported or manufactured firearms, but did not ban possession or sale of pre-existing 'assault weapons' or previously factory standard magazines that were legally redefined as large capacity ammunition feeding devices. This provision for pre-ban firearms created higher prices in the market for such items, which still exist due to several states adopting their own assault weapons ban.
When the law was being written, certain manufacturers ramped up production of magazines, knowing that if they were produced BEFORE the ban went into effect (pre-ban magazines) that these items could still be sold legally. The net result was that there are still an abundance of them available, even in states that adopted the ban on higher capacity magazines.
There are some states (MA is one) that already restrict possession of magazines that carry more than 10 rounds. I'd say look to those states. Evaluate the effectiveness of their firearms laws, and go from there rather than trying to get legislators to implement unproven proposals.
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Ranchers with bum eyes and iron sights pitted against wiley coyotes might want more
Brother Buzz
Dec 2012
#1
If you manage to drill one, do you think the other 3 are going to stick around for the reload?
Major Nikon
Dec 2012
#14
You obviously have a very poor understanding of how case controlled studies work
Major Nikon
Dec 2012
#174
I lost track. Are you talking about criminals, coyotes, or deer with that question?
Bucky
Jan 2013
#200
That thing would weigh a ton loaded. We have a 3 round limit in Ohio for deer n/t
doc03
Dec 2012
#65
Because it's not enough for pretty much any self-defense scenario that I can think of.
krispos42
Dec 2012
#8
I'm sure most of the people who had guns which were used to kill family members
Fresh_Start
Dec 2012
#104
Who needs a sports car? Why not eliminate all things we don't think people need
The Straight Story
Dec 2012
#9
We know it means firearms. We have the Federlist Papers and the Congressional Records...
NutmegYankee
Dec 2012
#53
And common throughout the legal realm, used by many groups, both liberal and conservative.
NutmegYankee
Dec 2012
#71
Notice Stalin didn't catch that nifty quote from Marx . Welcome to DU !
orpupilofnature57
Dec 2012
#28
IIRC, you wanted a list of people you thought were "mental" so you could ghettoize them
Kolesar
Dec 2012
#29
Oh, please. The asymmetry between civilians and the state is absolute and insurmountable.
Robb
Dec 2012
#51
If you are a self appointed community watch guard and you see a kid who is obviously black
Warren Stupidity
Dec 2012
#35
well suppose you have a big family or several coworkers......don't want to have to reload.
bowens43
Dec 2012
#36
+1,000. And the bogus alert on this failed, BTW - much whining about it in Meta.
apocalypsehow
Jan 2013
#177
In a debate here at DU, I was told that you need an assault weapon for herds of wild hogs.
Buzz Clik
Dec 2012
#78
Shotguns for decades have been made to carry 5 rounds. There was a time when duck hunting
Purveyor
Dec 2012
#80
Notice in your picture, no high capacity magazines, no assault rifles, no body armor
DrewFlorida
Dec 2012
#95
From that pic, you can't tell what model Mini 14 that is, or even if it is a mini 14 for sure.
DrewFlorida
Dec 2012
#117
My bad, that is a 77, however Mini 14 was made with a bolt action for the UK market.
DrewFlorida
Dec 2012
#138
Here is the Mini 14 with straight pull bolt action, for those who still think it doesn't exist.
DrewFlorida
Dec 2012
#139
I said they were made for the UK market, are you telling me we don't get foreign
DrewFlorida
Jan 2013
#183
The shotgun (second gun/person from right) appears to be a Mossberg 500 series....
PavePusher
Jan 2013
#196
And to think some people have access to high capacity magazines and full automatic weapons.
Remmah2
Dec 2012
#111
I've never hunted bear or had to defend myself against a wounded one, but
Jackpine Radical
Dec 2012
#127
A friend of mine came up with a clever solution to the problem of loading tube-magazine .22s
slackmaster
Jan 2013
#187
I like what Wanda Sykes said... (not exact quote) If you need 100 rounds to shoot a deer, remind me
Sparky 1
Jan 2013
#181
A pack of wolves? Four grizly bears? Hell, 2 grizzlies would take more than 3 shots. nt
Speck Tater
Jan 2013
#201