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20. Most likely anyone wondering about whether to vote for O

Thu Dec 15, 2011, 11:22 AM

Dec 2011

already knows that a repub could easily win the presidential election, or generally any election. If this weren't the case, whether to vote for him or not would be a quite simple decision, and most of us would go out and vote for our favorite progressive when/if dissatisfied. So you basically wrote a post in defense of a repetitive canard, which is odd. X: "I'm not sure if I should vote for Obama again. Some of these policies are pretty extreme." Y: "But a Republican could win!" X: "Yes I know, but I'm not sure if I can vote for him in clean conscience. There's a range of divergent policy regarding which I can hold my nose and pretend to forget, but this may be a deal-breaker for me." Y: "But a Republican could win!"

I'd argue that Y is more concerned with his own sanctimoniousness than actually trying to secure a vote for the candidate they still find worthy. He'd be better off making a case as to why O is still worth X holding X's nose over, but instead he digs in and simply repeats a line he sees as indisputable.

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This message was self-deleted by its author LaurenG Dec 2011 #1

Fair enough. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #3

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #8

What happens if you find out Hutzpa Dec 2011 #45

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Shouldn't you be channeling that energy toward Hutzpa Dec 2011 #52

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Agree TBF Dec 2011 #81

You... don't.... want.... a Democratic majority... in Congress... The Doctor. Dec 2011 #96

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Oh... koo. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #107

You beat me to that question Hutzpa Dec 2011 #115

If we are going to have.... sendero Dec 2011 #129

"Then he starts yakking progressive" Hutzpa Dec 2011 #155

Why, so we can vote for all the blue dogs he supports? Maven Dec 2011 #108

I don't know where you got that talking point from Hutzpa Dec 2011 #116

Really? Maven Dec 2011 #135

He had HUGE majorities 2009-2011 Doctor_J Dec 2011 #119

That shows a particular ignorance of the facts. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #122

Thanks for proving my point. Doctor_J Dec 2011 #127

Proving your point? Not really. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #174

Republicans are not the only ones who can use the filibuster, are they?? sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #191

You're missing a critical piece of the dynamic... The Doctor. Dec 2011 #193

To block Bush legislation is not 'sinking to Republican levels' it is standing up against sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #194

What HUGE majority is that we're talking about? Hutzpa Dec 2011 #125

Bullshit. The " majority " in the Senate was razor thin emulatorloo Dec 2011 #130

It was 59-41, which is not razor thin Doctor_J Dec 2011 #140

Takes 60 votes for Cloture. emulatorloo Dec 2011 #187

Oh please that was one of the largest majorities in history TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #212

The 'fact' is after Obama took office dems had a filibuster-proof majority in Senate only SHORT time Tx4obama Dec 2011 #149

Wrong - much major legislation in the last several decades sidestepped the filibuster eomer Dec 2011 #172

Please elaborate. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #175

Tax the wealthy, make the tax cut on the middle class permanent, and create a public option. eomer Dec 2011 #197

But a bill can only get into 'reconciliation' after the bill's been on the senate floor Tx4obama Dec 2011 #200

No, not true. eomer Dec 2011 #202

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Here's a link to the new list of the emoticons, in case you don't have it already Tx4obama Dec 2011 #211

Thanks! eomer Dec 2011 #215

If the Patriot Act saved one life XemaSab Dec 2011 #124

I totally agree with what you're saying Hutzpa Dec 2011 #128

The ACLU doesn't like it dflprincess Dec 2011 #147

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There are websites/forums that get a huge thrill out of bashing Obama. MADem Dec 2011 #2

Maybe there is a reason that so many Democratic websites are critical of Obama. JDPriestly Dec 2011 #99

Well, this is pretty much the most vicious "Democratic" website I've seen when it comes to BHO. MADem Dec 2011 #138

Not Satan on a Ritzcracker, but leave a lot to be desired. JDPriestly Dec 2011 #157

When did he sign it? nt gateley Dec 2011 #4

I was under the false impression that he had. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #7

I was trying to find it via Google, but no official reports, so I thought maybe you might know. gateley Dec 2011 #37

Everyone has choices; I�ll respect yours if you respect mine. Cigar11 Dec 2011 #5

Are you talking about during the... Little Star Dec 2011 #6

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OK. And.. Little Star Dec 2011 #26

No one should try to stifle criticism or concern. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #39

Well... Little Star Dec 2011 #47

My 'real intent' is in black and white. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #48

Okey, Dokey... Little Star Dec 2011 #49

Bye. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #60

Actually you just did that to me in another subthread. a simple pattern Dec 2011 #59

Then you should learn to communicate. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #61

I think you mean 'ambiguous.' a simple pattern Dec 2011 #65

When you sit on Santa's lap, The Doctor. Dec 2011 #66

You used the wrong word. Look it up. Zhade Dec 2011 #199

that fact is just really irrelevant to a discussion though hfojvt Dec 2011 #63

And yet another person can't be bothered to READ the post they're responding to. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #64

So if you were faced with the choice of voting for one of two Fascists, which would you JDPriestly Dec 2011 #102

That's reasonable, however... The Doctor. Dec 2011 #104

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Excellent, hfojvt JDPriestly Dec 2011 #100

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You created your own Strawman ut oh Dec 2011 #109

For the record, I won't be voting 'for' Obama, I'll be voting 'against' that evil coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #10

Good Luck Cigar11 Dec 2011 #13

Speaking of being reminded... jtrockville Dec 2011 #11

Does this apply to you? The Doctor. Dec 2011 #14

Maybe. jtrockville Dec 2011 #15

You mean "The" Justice party candidate. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #19

Yep, I mean Anderson. jtrockville Dec 2011 #24

Hey, if you want to do The Doctor. Dec 2011 #41

I'll vote for who I think would make the best President. jtrockville Dec 2011 #69

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #16

I think you assume I'm bitter. I'm not. jtrockville Dec 2011 #23

REMINDER: John McCain and Sarah Palin where the alternatives. Cigar11 Dec 2011 #12

"I'm not telling anyone to 'shut up' or 'keep your opinions to yourself'." yodermon Dec 2011 #17

You're welcome. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #21

I am bitterly disappointed in Obama lapislzi Dec 2011 #18

Most likely anyone wondering about whether to vote for O themadstork Dec 2011 #20

Berating posters to this forum is not the fast track EFerrari Dec 2011 #22

Berating who? The Doctor. Dec 2011 #29

Hello? The Doctor. Dec 2011 #44

When did you become an admin? pintobean Dec 2011 #25

I must have missed it too. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #30

You go ahead and call your convention "vegan" if you want to. a simple pattern Dec 2011 #27

Nice try. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #31

You keep using that word. a simple pattern Dec 2011 #51

It means 'think about'. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #53

It's not shallow. a simple pattern Dec 2011 #57

Yet you have no real proof of that beyond the fact that he had to get past Republican obstruction. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #58

Yep, he preemptively caved his way right on by that Republican "obstruction." a simple pattern Dec 2011 #62

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #170

+1000. kath Dec 2011 #153

So very sad. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #169

Well fuck me for wanting Democrats to act like Democrats. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #28

Cool! We want the same thing! The Doctor. Dec 2011 #33

no, you seem to want peeps to vote Dem no matter what ut oh Dec 2011 #111

Actually, I'm still a registered Republican. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #112

You write and sound like one Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #121

You're not terribly perceptive, are you? The Doctor. Dec 2011 #161

A quick glance turned up the usual "whine", "outrage" and "righteous indignation" talking points. Bonobo Dec 2011 #32

You should read the posts you respond to. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #34

+10000 nt Mojorabbit Dec 2011 #38

Thanks for chiming in! Hey... do me a favor... The Doctor. Dec 2011 #40

I personally found the tone of the op very condescending. Mojorabbit Dec 2011 #72

Funny thing that; The Doctor. Dec 2011 #92

I read the post Mojorabbit Dec 2011 #114

I didn't write it to 'change anyone's mind'. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #168

It's alright to express an opinion if it is hidden? midnight Dec 2011 #35

I have a suggestion; The Doctor. Dec 2011 #36

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Likely that would be The Doctor. Dec 2011 #43

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"If you don't brush your teeth, you'll lose them." The Doctor. Dec 2011 #55

I don't think it's my confidence that's misplaced-- merely the prognostications of the few. LanternWaste Dec 2011 #74

So it's 'biased' to believe that not brushing your teeth is bad for them? The Doctor. Dec 2011 #85

Sounds great TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #213

Did a search - couldn't find anyone asking you to tell them how to vote. kenny blankenship Dec 2011 #54

Please learn to read the posts you respond to. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #56

Sounds reasonable Beavker Dec 2011 #68

Thanks for putting (most) of my feelings into words! Wait Wut Dec 2011 #70

K&R. It's entertaining to watch The Doctor. surgically dismiss non sequiturs. great white snark Dec 2011 #71

It's actually kind of sad. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #82

Oh they're here. ElboRuum Dec 2011 #146

Unfair! Unfair!! Yer being logical! That's oppressive to non-logic. Isn't that a TOS violation? TygrBright Dec 2011 #73

I still have the quaint notion that my vote belongs to me. Not the party or any politician. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2011 #75

No one should tell you otherwise. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #77

TL;DR Fumesucker Dec 2011 #76

ditto i_sometimes Dec 2011 #78

I give as I get. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #80

lol i_sometimes Dec 2011 #84

When you admit to ignorance, The Doctor. Dec 2011 #86

You have a nice day too. i_sometimes Dec 2011 #91

You mean: "TL;DI" The Doctor. Dec 2011 #79

I read plenty of long things.. Fumesucker Dec 2011 #90

Aren't you a big boy! The Doctor. Dec 2011 #93

It takes time and effort to make a post short and succinct.. Fumesucker Dec 2011 #110

So, you cite a major manipulator and suggest I should 'do as he does'. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #113

What about legitimate disagreement? How will it be treated? mmonk Dec 2011 #83

*Sigh* The Doctor. Dec 2011 #87

Just wondering. mmonk Dec 2011 #103

S'ok. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #106

I don't think we elected The Doctor i_sometimes Dec 2011 #137

No one elected me. WTH are you talking about? The Doctor. Dec 2011 #178

Hmm... i_sometimes Dec 2011 #206

Get rid of the idiots in Congress, too Aerows Dec 2011 #88

That's fair. Hard to disagree. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #94

I know. Aerows Dec 2011 #95

Nail, Hammer, *thwack*. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #98

Same applies to all offices. TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #214

I would just like to see the language in the bill. JDPriestly Dec 2011 #97

Here's the full bill.. SomethingFishy Dec 2011 #101

The LAST thing I want is a Republican President. bvar22 Dec 2011 #117

That's a fair point. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #167

He killed habeus corpus. Deep13 Dec 2011 #118

So we're just 'making shit up' now? The Doctor. Dec 2011 #166

Nope. nt Deep13 Dec 2011 #204

You have chosen to ignore that some of the most ardent bashing of Dems has come from Doctor_J Dec 2011 #120

Anyone ProSense Dec 2011 #123

To your second point: Please keep reminding people that the next tblue37 Dec 2011 #126

if a Republican becomes president THEN people will regain perspective!! StarsInHerHair Dec 2011 #145

WORD. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #165

An unpleasant reality! green917 Dec 2011 #131

I, for one, completely believe you when you say 'Barack Hussein Obama'. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #164

I'm not sure what you're insinuating with this post green917 Dec 2011 #201

I agree with what you have said. gtar100 Dec 2011 #132

K and R DonCoquixote Dec 2011 #134

K/R...thanks, n/t bonzotex Dec 2011 #136

It is not authoritarian to tell people what your own choices are and expect them to patrice Dec 2011 #139

Sounds like we're on the same page. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #162

wish I could give this 100 recs BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #141

I will express my disagreement with the President 4dsc Dec 2011 #142

It does seem that way. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #171

Nice rantrum. nt Javaman Dec 2011 #143

Notsomuch. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #163

one persons lecture is another persons tantrum. nt Javaman Dec 2011 #173

Again, notsomuch. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #192

I love when people quote the dictionary... Javaman Dec 2011 #195

Especially when they don't know the diiference between "ambivalent" and "ambiguous"! Zhade Dec 2011 #210

K&R! Grateful for Hope Dec 2011 #144

yes, we all know we have no choice but to vote for him Skittles Dec 2011 #148

Wrong. You definitely have a choice. If you had read the OP The Doctor. Dec 2011 #159

WTF Skittles Dec 2011 #205

Funny how even those i_sometimes Dec 2011 #207

The Republican boogeyman is getting stale arendt Dec 2011 #150

Great post, Arendt! kath Dec 2011 #154

The OP addresses that. Did you read it, or just go by the responses? The Doctor. Dec 2011 #158

awesome post! LaydeeBug Dec 2011 #177

This thread is chock full of great metaphors Doctor_J Dec 2011 #182

Kicked and rec'd. n/t Tx4obama Dec 2011 #151

Thanks Dr. for the prescription... Historic NY Dec 2011 #152

I think we could replace him and still beat the Republicans. caseymoz Dec 2011 #160

yep. barbtries Dec 2011 #176

I am a Democrat who believes we can wear our big boy pants and handle a little criticism. Dustlawyer Dec 2011 #179

Good. Nothing wrong with criticism at all. The Doctor. Dec 2011 #183

Frogs in a slow- heating pot ... bread_and_roses Dec 2011 #180

No, he's not...where's that unrec button when you need it! joeybee12 Dec 2011 #181

What are you talking about? Who's not what? The Doctor. Dec 2011 #184

The OP has posted 61 times in his own thread. kath Dec 2011 #185

I prefer the hit-and-run tactic, you're right. Robb Dec 2011 #186

Well, there's a happy medium somewhere, and this sure ain't it. kath Dec 2011 #188

And yet people can't seem to resist... The Doctor. Dec 2011 #190

You just forced me to post in your thread! Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #198

Woo Hoo! The Doctor. Dec 2011 #189

Not really. i_sometimes Dec 2011 #208

When the "unpleasantness" is based on spin and hero worship... Zhade Dec 2011 #196