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hfojvt

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15. it is an abject surrender, is what it is.

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 02:17 PM

Dec 2012

Why be upset?

Try this little thought experiment.

First, let the Bush tax cuts expire (please).

Then pass "the deal".

Do an analysis of who benefits from "the deal". Tell me that the top 5% do NOT get much bigger benefits than the bottom 40%.

You know that they do, and you don't care.

That's your privilege. You don't have to care.

But I care. I hate tax cuts that favor the rich. I think they are bad for our country. I expect Democrats to fight for the bottom 60%, not surrender to the top 5%.

My spineless, gutless, wishy washy party had the trump card, and they sold it for $20 billion in unemployment benefits.

They gave it away is what they did.

Three cheers for "middle class estate tax cuts".

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Senator Tom Harkin: No Deal Is Better Than The Deal Being Negotiated [View all] Report1212 Dec 2012 OP

CSPAN replaying Harkins floor statement now. 12:42p eom Purveyor Dec 2012 #1

Tell that to the unemployed... nt kelliekat44 Jan 2013 #60

I am not seeing the reason to be outrage. No cuts to SS or Medicare and some tax increases on rich stevenleser Dec 2012 #2

It's a tax cut for the rich Report1212 Dec 2012 #3

What the OP says is contradictory on that point. It says taxes on the rich are being raised to 39.6% stevenleser Dec 2012 #5

When did $400,000 a year become "middle class"? Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #9

It hasnt. It is a negotiated point. nt stevenleser Dec 2012 #12

it is an abject surrender, is what it is. hfojvt Dec 2012 #15

No, chain CPI would have been an abject surrender. No tax increases on the wealthy would have been stevenleser Dec 2012 #18

It's a surrender versus waiting 10 hours nt Report1212 Dec 2012 #22

Exactly. Owl Dec 2012 #25

Cuts to medicare are on the table JimDandy Dec 2012 #24

well, i call taking $2.5 trillion in automatic tax increases on the rich hfojvt Dec 2012 #26

Another fine "deal" by our entirely bought-and-paid-for American government. Chan790 Dec 2012 #42

So you want taxes to go up for the top 40% ? Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #32

why not? hfojvt Dec 2012 #34

Just asking... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #44

How many hours do we work a week. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #20

"almost too low" hfojvt Dec 2012 #29

OK, so I barely earned a (on edit, small) fraction of it (in my best years), but . . . . JDPriestly Dec 2012 #55

US Government says the median income in NYC metro area is 80,000 Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #59

Most people that I know Aerows Dec 2012 #48

True, but it is a good number to work with. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #54

because if there is no deal - taxes aleady go up to 39.6% hfojvt Dec 2012 #10

See hj's point Report1212 Dec 2012 #11

You just don't get it ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #56

huge tax cuts for the rich do not bother you? hfojvt Dec 2012 #4

See my #5 nt stevenleser Dec 2012 #6

How about permanent tax cuts for the wealthy and lies from Obama? bowens43 Dec 2012 #30

okay, but is he going to use his power to block the deal? hfojvt Dec 2012 #7

I agree with you.. bama_blue_dot Dec 2012 #16

actually I wonder if his little speech isn't part of the Kabuki hfojvt Dec 2012 #21

Just read the AP story on the deal being worked out... bobclark86 Dec 2012 #8

unfortunately hfojvt Dec 2012 #13

+ 1000 JEB Dec 2012 #17

My sentiments also. Owl Dec 2012 #27

How right you are. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #23

Yep, and you better vote in 2014! Otherwise it's all your fault! Doctor_J Dec 2012 #41

I Agree Billsmile Dec 2012 #49

Yep malz Dec 2012 #14

Yep. Screw the unemployed. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #19

Obama is screwing us all..... bowens43 Dec 2012 #31

but we NEED to pass these tax cuts for the rich to help the unemployed hfojvt Dec 2012 #39

So a congress with Elizabeth Warren Report1212 Dec 2012 #35

Sure, let the unemployed starve for a month. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #38

Sources are saying that an extension of unemployment benefits will be a part of this deal. totodeinhere Dec 2012 #51

Senator Tom Harkin is right: No Deal Is Better Than The Deal Being Negotiated Owl Dec 2012 #28

If Obama is stupid enough to think Americans will forgive him for iemitsu Dec 2012 #33

What are we gonna do, vote against him? CranialRectaLoopback Dec 2012 #47

Why does Harkin have to read about it in the paper? Doctor_J Dec 2012 #36

He had to read it in the paper Report1212 Dec 2012 #37

Does anyone know if the president has even met with the progressive caucus about this? Doctor_J Dec 2012 #40

His fist met with our gut. CranialRectaLoopback Dec 2012 #46

we need to start over and have the American people start calling the shots No Compromise Dec 2012 #43

Senator Harkin can stop the deal CranialRectaLoopback Dec 2012 #45

I think it more likely that a Republican such as Rand Paul or Mike Lee might stop it. totodeinhere Dec 2012 #52

Here is what irks me about this kind of deal. airplaneman Dec 2012 #50

let me see daybranch Dec 2012 #53

That's why politicians invented back rooms and "closed door" meetings. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #57

WOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Skittles Jan 2013 #58