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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
221. Not what I meant at all.
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 02:57 PM
Dec 2012

Of course local Democrats can do a lot. The advantage was that we took both houses and the WH because of the enthusiasm and local involvement.

I want to make it clear....hubby and I worked for, donated to, and voted for Obama madfloridian Dec 2012 #1
there is nothing wrong with that arely staircase Dec 2012 #12
Then there needs to be differentiation included. madfloridian Dec 2012 #13
i certainly try to differentiate arely staircase Dec 2012 #48
Yes, that goes beyond civility. madfloridian Dec 2012 #55
A person who claims to be a Democrat, runs for office as a Democrat, and then betrays JDPriestly Dec 2012 #106
see that is why i can't take you seriously arely staircase Dec 2012 #115
+1 SunSeeker Dec 2012 #129
And I would suggest ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #134
"the exemptions part of the proposal" basically and drastically changes the intent and the JDPriestly Dec 2012 #143
If a Democrat does it, then it's OK MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #141
The tone of the two statements may be different iemitsu Dec 2012 #62
one may either make his case by lashing out out emotionally arely staircase Dec 2012 #68
you're just debating manners, the message is the same. at some point, manners fail. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #87
manners are good arely staircase Dec 2012 #116
I think group three is the most sane of all tavalon Dec 2012 #103
And another goal very necessary. Fund public schools, stop taking resources from them madfloridian Dec 2012 #105
and lots of it liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #107
i am a public school teacher arely staircase Dec 2012 #117
Recommend....thoughtful with a perspective that many of us here for long time can much appreciate! KoKo Dec 2012 #167
What do you mean by "strengthen . . . the social safety net." JDPriestly Dec 2012 #108
tax the wealthy to pay for it arely staircase Dec 2012 #118
I too choose door number 3. iemitsu Dec 2012 #110
hang on now, limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #67
yeah, hyberbolic/strawman posts like that are probably going to get some pushback arely staircase Dec 2012 #69
I rather tend to disagree with what you just said limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #72
the whole "sellout" business in hyperbolic arely staircase Dec 2012 #74
He turned from a common man into a millionaire on the basis because of his role in government limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #76
He has done what it takes to stay in office, where he has been able to pass progressive legislation. SunSeeker Dec 2012 #133
The word that was gratuitous was "strawman." And it was one you used. Demit Dec 2012 #137
speak for yourself. i think obama is an awesome president! arely staircase Dec 2012 #139
I think you'd better refresh your understanding of the concept of strawman. Demit Dec 2012 #144
reality creeksneakers2 Dec 2012 #97
The money for Social Security is in the Social Security trust fund. It is there. It will be enough JDPriestly Dec 2012 #111
I agree with you about cutting the military creeksneakers2 Dec 2012 #148
There is money that could be spent on for WPA program. There is plenty of money sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #112
There isn't enough money there to cover the deficit creeksneakers2 Dec 2012 #149
And what does that have to do with the SS fund? sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #151
Why ask me? creeksneakers2 Dec 2012 #157
The deficit is the least of our problems. We need to kick-start the economy. That may increase the rhett o rick Dec 2012 #162
Increase the deficit how much? creeksneakers2 Dec 2012 #174
So what's the alternative? The Republican plan of austerity? Is that what you recommend? rhett o rick Dec 2012 #201
The deficits now is a big stimulus package creeksneakers2 Dec 2012 #203
Crazy like a fox Chathamization Dec 2012 #220
The federal government can do it; after all, it by definition can't go broke duffyduff Dec 2012 #147
It can turn into Greece creeksneakers2 Dec 2012 #156
Yes, and it is on its way to doing that as our elected officials push the same sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #171
Austerity is the certain result creeksneakers2 Dec 2012 #175
Also, I would NEVER denigrate the president or his policies in a discussion with a Repuke Doctor_J Dec 2012 #125
Hail Victory and all that. kenny blankenship Dec 2012 #2
It's interesting to see DU fall into the same trap T Roosevelt Dec 2012 #3
That rewrite was one of my last posts... madfloridian Dec 2012 #4
I have to disagree. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #8
You are wrong. He DID put it on the table. From the WH transcript: madfloridian Dec 2012 #11
First, re-read the second paragraph. Boehner included it in his proposal, Obama JoePhilly Dec 2012 #20
He DID put it on the table. Denial doesn't help. madfloridian Dec 2012 #22
I thought he put it on the table when he created the Debt Commission ... or at least during the LAST JoePhilly Dec 2012 #24
Why is that? madfloridian Dec 2012 #27
He just did it a week and a half ago. Look up the press briefing. cui bono Dec 2012 #29
Yes, he did it then, too. Marr Dec 2012 #60
If he did it "then", why are folks screaming that he just did it now. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #73
You're claiming he never made a similar offer during the debt ceiling "crisis"? Marr Dec 2012 #109
This is the problem. People keep making excuses for Obama, or limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #61
That was damning with faint praise tavalon Dec 2012 #104
The poster's stance is the Presidents are omnipotent (except when that isn't convenient) TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #51
Yes, mad is right. PBO DID put SS on the table as I mentioned to you in another thread. cui bono Dec 2012 #21
If I let you bid on my special edition Babe ruth rookie card, does that mean I actually want you to JoePhilly Dec 2012 #26
Yes, you WILL be hearing that refrain...again and again. madfloridian Dec 2012 #30
Probably because its not going to happen. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #37
That isn't a good analogy. cui bono Dec 2012 #32
Your first point is wrong. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #36
And what kind of credibility does Boehner have? cui bono Dec 2012 #41
So why are you taking bids on your special Babe Ruth Rookie card? bahrbearian Dec 2012 #45
Those who said this were correct; Obama DID offer that deal Demo_Chris Dec 2012 #64
I have to disagree, It wasn't a prediction, it was the FACT that he offered it Autumn Dec 2012 #65
hickup dupe L0oniX Dec 2012 #35
Ever try to criticize someone for being into American Idol? L0oniX Dec 2012 #39
I agree. Some of us older folks understand that this kind of group think roguevalley Dec 2012 #47
I like your post. madfloridian Dec 2012 #94
I hear you, Madfloridian. I know people who will die because of cuts. Somehow roguevalley Dec 2012 #98
Well said, thank you. Puzzledtraveller Dec 2012 #185
corporatizing public schools is an abomination NO DEMOCRAT should support...period nt msongs Dec 2012 #5
I agree, but words are wasted now. madfloridian Dec 2012 #7
I asked my republican Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #14
Yes, we should. Thanks. madfloridian Dec 2012 #23
If we don't push from the Left, the only pushing will be from the Right. tblue Dec 2012 #6
That's what is happening. madfloridian Dec 2012 #17
Louder, no. Grossly overfunded, yes. BlueNoteSpecial Dec 2012 #33
Good point. madfloridian Dec 2012 #44
I remember 1968, 1980 and 2000. Fracture means losing. Whiners wanting too much normally do too graham4anything Dec 2012 #9
Whiners like those who support public education? Whiners like the elderly? madfloridian Dec 2012 #18
I disagree and your use of the term whiners shows you aren't listening. cui bono Dec 2012 #25
Well said. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #28
if you don't win, you lose. 2000 whiners voted for Ralph Nader who directly caused the loss graham4anything Dec 2012 #34
More Republicans than Democrats voted for Nader in NH in 2000 Fumesucker Dec 2012 #70
Nader was behind the biggest voter stay home drive. 2000 had the least amount of voters graham4anything Dec 2012 #80
And six percent of Democrats voted for Bush Fumesucker Dec 2012 #81
one good thing about Nader-He insured never will a 3rd party be more than a gnat graham4anything Dec 2012 #114
.... madfloridian Dec 2012 #43
I think the problems arise Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #10
The problems arise at the slightest hint.... madfloridian Dec 2012 #15
I haven't seen much fear of criticism here.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #38
Not fear of criticism... madfloridian Dec 2012 #42
given that we are a mixture of everyone from obscenely wealthy to peopl living in roguevalley Dec 2012 #52
++++++++ Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #75
:D roguevalley Dec 2012 #78
I had a nice reply typed to you last night Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #89
I would love that, Blue. Hugs, honey. Me- trying to find someone to clear my roof. :D roguevalley Dec 2012 #93
So much for tolerance. Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #53
I love your handle, Sekhmets Daughter roguevalley Dec 2012 #79
LOL! Neither, Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #121
I took Obama's bumper sticker off my car today arely staircase Dec 2012 #49
Amazing isn't it? n/t Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #54
"I've yelled about how I can't yell about this so long, I've lost my voice!" Robb Dec 2012 #16
Some voices are louder than others. madfloridian Dec 2012 #19
May I say - Hell Hath No Fury Dec 2012 #31
And W got away with all of it, didn't he? madfloridian Dec 2012 #40
Well said and I agree completely! cui bono Dec 2012 #145
We should all realize that nothing gets accomplished if we don't push for it. Curmudgeoness Dec 2012 #46
Thanks. It is just good common sense to do so. madfloridian Dec 2012 #71
What bothers me most is what it's doing to DU starroute Dec 2012 #50
You made some very good points in that post. madfloridian Dec 2012 #58
I accidently stepped into that group only to be banned immediately and had a post hidden rhett o rick Dec 2012 #99
I believe certain forum moderators are abusive. L0oniX Dec 2012 #159
there's a Barack Obama forum? liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #177
It's pathetic and IMO not very Democratic. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #202
I am interested in seeing all of these requests for people to walk in lockstep. grantcart Dec 2012 #56
2 Years to fix it? LibertyBell7 Dec 2012 #57
A decent rock anthem presented this theme: truedelphi Dec 2012 #59
You are absolutely judged on loyalty CranialRectaLoopback Dec 2012 #63
they may try to shout us down and shut us up but like you liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #66
Aways the same transparent defensive reaction, too. Those who DirkGently Dec 2012 #77
Agreed, but it sures makes a person think twice before posting. madfloridian Dec 2012 #82
Not with me. Rex Dec 2012 #83
There is GREAT harm in DEMANDING people walk Lockstep Skip Intro Dec 2012 #84
..... madfloridian Dec 2012 #85
Please show me a DU post "DEMANDING people walk Lockstep." SunSeeker Dec 2012 #135
Do you read DU? Skip Intro Dec 2012 #180
Yup. And I have yet to see an OP that says that. SunSeeker Dec 2012 #182
Then you haven't read much. Skip Intro Dec 2012 #187
Link(s)? nt SunSeeker Dec 2012 #193
It's the weirdest thing, madfloridian. Octafish Dec 2012 #86
Octafish....like Alice in Wonderland I feel weirder and weirder madfloridian Dec 2012 #88
Good to see you, too! My sister teaches kindergarden. My two aunts are retired teachers. Octafish Dec 2012 #92
Very well said, Octafish. Especially this: sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #113
There are so many, Sabrina. madfloridian Dec 2012 #119
Same as it ever was, Octafish. Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #90
Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Wondrous Kwanzaa, Happy New Year, Blue_In_AK! Octafish Dec 2012 #91
Blue I think I told you happy holidays, but in case I didn't.... madfloridian Dec 2012 #96
Same to you, Madflo Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #102
Right now Octafish, 14 people have me blocked and ignored. madfloridian Dec 2012 #95
Hey, I've even picked up another one in the last month or so, Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #176
Garden Party...a big favorite. Video of him singing it. madfloridian Dec 2012 #178
I think the "eff you" is why I like that song so much Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #179
Big Brother is winning. Rex Dec 2012 #146
k&r rhett o rick Dec 2012 #100
k&r Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #101
Glad you are Back! And well said... fascisthunter Dec 2012 #120
Authoritarianism is not bound by party ID. OnyxCollie Dec 2012 #122
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #123
Thank YOU for this post ++++++ haikugal Dec 2012 #124
Clinton wasn't endorsing that sentiment, just stating what he saw as an unfortunate reality bigtree Dec 2012 #126
I do not now,... 99Forever Dec 2012 #127
LIE: "...we in 2008 gave our party a majority to fix it. They had two years..." SunSeeker Dec 2012 #128
Bush accomplished what he did without a filibuster-proof majority. OnyxCollie Dec 2012 #130
Dems under Bush didn't filibuster like the GOP does now--Dems believe in democracy. SunSeeker Dec 2012 #136
How's that moral high ground working out for us citizens? OnyxCollie Dec 2012 #138
What's your alternative to democracy? SunSeeker Dec 2012 #166
Dems believe in Kabuki theater. OnyxCollie Dec 2012 #170
So you're not a Dem? Why are you here? nt SunSeeker Dec 2012 #181
Dem POLITICIANS believe in Kabuki theater, OnyxCollie Dec 2012 #186
LOL. If you believe all Dem politicians believe in Kabuki theater... SunSeeker Dec 2012 #188
Keep hoping for change! (Particularly when the game is rigged.) OnyxCollie Dec 2012 #190
I don't just hope for change. I work at it. SunSeeker Dec 2012 #192
Rah! Rah! Rah! Gooooooo team! OnyxCollie Dec 2012 #204
I see juvenile namecalling is all you've got. nt SunSeeker Dec 2012 #205
My response is appropriate OnyxCollie Dec 2012 #207
Namecalling is not appropriate. Neither are lies. SunSeeker Dec 2012 #208
Here's your "lies." OnyxCollie Dec 2012 #211
Does that include contributions from News Corp. employees, as Media Matters points out? SunSeeker Dec 2012 #212
Right, because employees of News Corp have no vested interest OnyxCollie Dec 2012 #213
Great chart, here's more. Open Secrets is working. madfloridian Dec 2012 #222
+1 treestar Dec 2012 #142
Whoa there. I said "majority". madfloridian Dec 2012 #158
It was not a "majority" that allowed him to "fix" or get legislation through, and you know it. SunSeeker Dec 2012 #163
It appears nothing has a place on DU madfloridian Dec 2012 #165
Oh please. NO ONE is saying they want "no questioning." SunSeeker Dec 2012 #168
NO, I did not do that. "parsing pronouns"???? Really. madfloridian Dec 2012 #172
Baiting is inserting the "he had 2 years and did nothing" RW meme into your OP. SunSeeker Dec 2012 #184
What I wrote is there for all to see. They can decide. Not worth it. madfloridian Dec 2012 #189
Fighting school privatization is worth it. Hope you keep that up. SunSeeker Dec 2012 #194
any criticism is considered right wing talking points liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #173
Nope, just the false ones the RW uses, like the "he had 2 years and did nothing" meme. SunSeeker Dec 2012 #183
That's the problem. I can't post about education without criticizing Obama... madfloridian Dec 2012 #195
I've never seen anyone here disagree with your position that school privatization is a bad idea. SunSeeker Dec 2012 #196
People can't stand for someone to disagree with one of liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #197
I haven't seen that. SunSeeker Dec 2012 #198
well I disagree and so do many others liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #199
Fine. Disagreement is not disrespectful. Lies are. nt SunSeeker Dec 2012 #200
I'm really sorry your message for school reform gets nowhere even here liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #169
The poster did not lie. They said majority and majority it was and generational high at that TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #206
Yes it was a lie. It was not "a majority to fix it"--that would have required 60 votes. SunSeeker Dec 2012 #209
There's something odd about your repeated use of the word "lie" madfloridian Dec 2012 #210
I just calls 'em as I sees 'em. SunSeeker Dec 2012 #214
You are the one stating a super majority, not the person you call a liar. TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #224
It was not "a majority" that allowed Dems to "fix" things; THAT was the lie. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #225
So now you're trolling Obama Underground? hay rick Dec 2012 #131
Persuade with respect and no problem. gulliver Dec 2012 #132
Disagreement is accepted treestar Dec 2012 #140
3 Red Herrings in one post - must be a record LiberalLovinLug Dec 2012 #152
+++ hay rick Dec 2012 #160
I don't think so treestar Dec 2012 #215
The DNC WAS working to get wins at local levels, but that was stopped at once in 2009. madfloridian Dec 2012 #161
Wow that's giving all the power to Dean treestar Dec 2012 #216
Not what I meant at all. madfloridian Dec 2012 #221
If you think the President or any other Democrat is above criticism by Democrats rhett o rick Dec 2012 #164
I hardly see on DU as much criticism of Republicans treestar Dec 2012 #217
I see plenty of post critical of Boner, rhett o rick Dec 2012 #219
K&R... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #150
Membership in a political party doesn't denote fealty or obedience to the party or its leaders. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #153
Unfortunately,our educational system has been based on profits for a long time.Kochs donate & dictat judesedit Dec 2012 #154
I have been posting about damage done to public schools... madfloridian Dec 2012 #155
..... madfloridian Dec 2012 #191
This message was self-deleted by its author Bad_Ronald Dec 2012 #218
116 recs! That's like one rec for every straw man and false victimization claim. great white snark Dec 2012 #223
K&R AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #226
How did those 3rd party ites who have reappeared voting for Nader in 2000 do for you in Florida? graham4anything Jan 2013 #227
I feel insulted by what you assume is "devotion to one man". patrice Jan 2013 #228
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