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44. The democratic party, under the leadership of the DLC, went along

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Mon Dec 31, 2012, 03:36 PM

Dec 2012

with the rightward push initiated by republicans in the late 70s/early 80s. There was a point at which the Democratic party had to make a decision: do we continue to foster a corrupt political system by participating in "campaign finance" via corporate interests(and other less consequential special interests, i.e. labor unions) or do we forsake it and explain why to the electorate? I believe it was the DLC and its apologists that pushed the party to accept legalized corruption ("we can't win without it!" was their justification). I tried to make the case that this was a futile and morally wrong path. If we (the Democratic Party) had taken the "road less traveled", the policitcal landscape of this country would be far different today. It has been said that Obama is to the right of Richard Nixon. I agree. And, yes, still preferable to the fascists and rw kranks showing up in the republican party.

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Yeah, I've been critical of much of what Obama has done. Here's why-- [View all] Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 OP

I Am With You On This Matter. TheMastersNemesis Dec 2012 #1

I could not agree more with the statement on the Arne Duncan appointment Lifelong Protester Dec 2012 #9

Ever wonder why he acts out of character sometimes? It is b/c some of that campaign money Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #20

The corruption & rot in our electoral process is a huge part of our problem. CrispyQ Dec 2012 #54

I like that! Thanks! lexw Jan 2013 #119

This should be a bumper sticker nolabels Jan 2013 #125

Nonsense, Dustlawyer. jerseyjack Dec 2012 #103

While I can understand you voicing your criticism of Obama, DrewFlorida Dec 2012 #27

Yes, the Art of the Possible. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #79

I can agree with that! DrewFlorida Dec 2012 #88

No, the people are much further to the left. cui bono Dec 2012 #80

"Be realistic! Demand the impossible!" Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2013 #129

Excellent summary. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #29

I could vote fo Gillibrand or Warren pscot Dec 2012 #45

Third-Way Manny has ideals? Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #62

Does anyone know what Gillibrand stands for? How does she present? JDPriestly Dec 2012 #70

I admire Gillibrand. pscot Dec 2012 #77

I was also very sceptical of Gillibrand tomg Dec 2012 #91

Brian Schweitzer. CrispyQ Dec 2012 #46

I LOVE Brian! napi21 Jan 2013 #120

I fell in love with him when I read this quote many years ago: CrispyQ Jan 2013 #133

Real reality politics brush Jan 2013 #112

Obama is NOT a progressive. Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2013 #128

Nodding and smiling LWolf Dec 2012 #2

It doesn't make you unpopular, and that's the problem missingthebigdog Dec 2012 #37

I've never called LWolf Dec 2012 #61

rec. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2012 #3

Well Stated! jimlup Dec 2012 #4

It'll probably get me another ToS violation, but K&R Bad_Ronald Dec 2012 #5

Do NOT compare Jackpine Radical to that troll you agreed with who said eff Obama and the Dems. DevonRex Dec 2012 #10

I was thinking more along the lines of the "don't push your luck" term. Bad_Ronald Dec 2012 #13

Very well stated. K&R. Arkansas Granny Dec 2012 #6

I can only agree Lifelong Protester Dec 2012 #7

Is he center-right or is that where the debate is framed? michigandem58 Dec 2012 #8

That is where he allows the policy to end up, most of the time. That's what matters. Lionessa Dec 2012 #11

K&R MSE MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #12

I don't think any democrat should have to explain why they sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #14

Yes, why is that? RC Dec 2012 #35

Yes! Thank you sabrina 1. SaveOurDemocracy Dec 2012 #75

Thank you and Jackpine. It really is that simple Blasphemer Dec 2012 #84

I agree, except he's center-Left not center-Right. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #15

No he ain't. RC Dec 2012 #38

No, he is a corporatist. woo me with science Dec 2012 #57

Now, THAT's a concise list. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #63

that democrats are involved is nothing new. nt tomp Jan 2013 #110

Great post! Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2013 #131

I agree completely MissDeeds Dec 2012 #16

Why do you hate America? kentuck Dec 2012 #17

Perfect nt MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #18

I couldn't agree more....if people... shut up, Curmudgeoness Dec 2012 #19

Well said! NCcoast Dec 2012 #21

Absolutely latebloomer Dec 2012 #22

You speak for many of us. Cleita Dec 2012 #23

Thank you DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #24

Yeah, right on! and Happy New Year! Agony Dec 2012 #25

Agony, a perfect song for this thread. saidsimplesimon Dec 2012 #69

You know what you need? progressoid Dec 2012 #26

Bullcrap. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #64

Or a unicorn farting rainbows and M&Ms progressoid Dec 2012 #76

Well apparently PBO could just have easily put a unicorn on the table as SS. cui bono Dec 2012 #81

Unicorn(s) should never be spoken of in mixed company nolabels Jan 2013 #126

But DU isn't mixed company-- Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #134

Great! You just made the baby Abraham Lincoln cry. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2012 #28

"center right." The unintentional comedy of this place brightens up a rainy day. Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #30

That's because they get their news from Fox. JoeyT Dec 2012 #32

Where would you place the following ideas on the political spectrum? Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #34

Yeah, excellent point. Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #51

I'm putting the spectrum in a historical perspective. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #65

Yes, today's center right is far more right than Reagan Oilwellian Dec 2012 #86

God, you guys are like a broken record. So tiring. Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #101

I was getting woud up sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #71

You should tell that to the "80's moderate Republican" President. progressoid Dec 2012 #39

So, you're saying a candidate perceived to be a socialist can indeed win TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #56

The policies are not even moderate. They reflect the purchase of our government by corporations. woo me with science Dec 2012 #60

Yes, center right . . . markpkessinger Dec 2012 #105

well said shireen Dec 2012 #31

It doesn't make you disloyal. But don't expect the owners to stand by and let you fire geckosfeet Dec 2012 #33

Siegelman in prison and Cheney's foreign policy did it for me. Octafish Dec 2012 #36

Well said Odd Won Out Dec 2012 #41

Not Much BobbyBoring Dec 2012 #68

Thom Hartmann has said a couple times that Clinton was taken aside after he was cui bono Dec 2012 #82

The way I always fantisized that it happened was Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #93

Heh heh... cui bono Jan 2013 #123

Gladly recommend. cornflake_31 Dec 2012 #40

No, it's what makes you a loyal Dem. Promoting R values like a chained CPI or the grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #42

The last paragraph Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2012 #43

The democratic party, under the leadership of the DLC, went along BridgeTheGap Dec 2012 #44

well-said. We should have a separate forum to scold people for not cheerleading yurbud Dec 2012 #47

And remember Jackpine r - truedelphi Dec 2012 #48

Wow, that's brilliant. Love it!! Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #66

Oh, hell yes!!! nightscanner59 Jan 2013 #115

Tip O'Neill said "All politics is local." jonthebru Dec 2012 #49

yes it makes you other than a Dem, but not disloyal, but at least you are acknowledging that pasto76 Dec 2012 #50

If it makes some of us "other than a Dem" it is only because the truedelphi Dec 2012 #73

So have I, but ann--- Dec 2012 #52

K&R... ReRe Dec 2012 #53

Too bad voting for your principles is viewed as quixotic. CranialRectaLoopback Dec 2012 #55

Exactly colsohlibgal Dec 2012 #58

This is exactly my approach, and feeling about it. RevStPatrick Dec 2012 #59

As with all things ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #67

How do you propose that acknowledgment to happen? cui bono Dec 2012 #87

Right there beside you. Our ULTIMATE responsibility is to our COUNTRY, not SaveOurDemocracy Dec 2012 #72

meh bigtree Dec 2012 #74

It should be. So why all the "sit down and STFU" when valid questions, concerns, and... SaveOurDemocracy Dec 2012 #78

I think that many folks come into politics understanding the obstacles bigtree Dec 2012 #89

the "purists" are like rightwing brownshirts stupidicus Dec 2012 #83

oh youre just a drug loving iamthebandfanman Dec 2012 #85

A drug-loving dirty hippy utopian nut? Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #97

I hear you... kentuck Jan 2013 #109

Imagine if all Democrats were equally critical Oilwellian Dec 2012 #90

K&R nt abelenkpe Dec 2012 #92

I'm with you RedstDem Dec 2012 #94

I can't say I've ever Control-Z Dec 2012 #95

The fact that you feel you need to say this is so screwed up MuseRider Dec 2012 #96

CORRECT Skittles Dec 2012 #98

Amen. woo me with science Jan 2013 #136

DURec! bvar22 Dec 2012 #99

K&R love_katz Dec 2012 #100

+ Kinda of the way it's supposed to work, really. (nt) DirkGently Dec 2012 #102

R&K - I stand with you. scarletwoman Dec 2012 #104

President Barack Hussein Obama will go down in history as one of the greatest Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #106

Wish I could rec this more than once. nt NorthCarolina Dec 2012 #107

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!! DeSwiss Dec 2012 #108

President Barack Hussein Obama will go down in history as one of the Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #111

Why did you post this twice? Number23 Jan 2013 #113

Maybe when I trashed it the first time, it really wasn't trashed... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #114

That's what you're supposed to do. Go to whitehouse.gov and comment away. You can pressure your judesedit Jan 2013 #116

I must add,for all of the bullshit Obama has had to put up with, he is doing a fantastic job. How he judesedit Jan 2013 #117

I'm pretty far left AAO Jan 2013 #118

Totally agreed. donheld Jan 2013 #121

In all likelihood, he's going to sign the 2013 version of the NDAA (indefinite detention). Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #122

We are simpatico..very well expressed MellonCollie11 Jan 2013 #124

Boss! Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2013 #127

Why do people keep expecting Obama to act like a progressive when he's a moderate? Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #130

Back in 2007, bvar22 Jan 2013 #137

So sensible timesamillion Jan 2013 #132

K&R , once you add post 96. woo me with science Jan 2013 #135