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In reply to the discussion: Donald Trump announces $300 billion "America First" oil refinery in Texas [View all]AZJonnie
(3,633 posts)5. On paper, from a security and US energy supply perspective, this new refinery makes some sense
However, there's no way the refinery will cost $300B and so far nobody is explaining where that huge number comes from. A project of this kind typically costs more like the 10 figure range, not the 12 figure range, so it's off by perhaps nearly 2 orders of magnitude.
Here's some more, from AI, where I asked about the scale relative to what the US already refines domestically:
Here are the numbers, which put the Brownsville project in useful perspective:
Current U.S. refining capacity
The U.S. has 132 operating refineries with a total capacity of 18.4 million barrels per calendar day (b/cd) as of January 2025.
What the Brownsville refinery adds
At 168,000 barrels/day, the new refinery would represent about a +0.9% increase in US oil refining capacity.
Important context
That's actually not trivial in absolute terms 168,000 b/d is a mid-sized refinery by modern standards, roughly comparable to a Phillips 66 or Valero mid-tier plant.
But the U.S. is actually losing capacity right now: Lyondell Basell shut its 264,000 b/d Houston refinery in early 2025, and Phillips 66 is closing its 139,000 b/d Los Angeles plant, meaning net U.S. capacity is likely falling below 18 million b/d in 2026 even with Brownsville coming online eventually.
Construction of a new refinery typically takes 57 years, so even with a 2026 groundbreaking, 168,000 b/d of new light-crude-optimized capacity likely won't be online until 20312032 at the earliest.
In short: meaningful but modest in percentage terms, and years away from actually producing a drop.
Current U.S. refining capacity
The U.S. has 132 operating refineries with a total capacity of 18.4 million barrels per calendar day (b/cd) as of January 2025.
What the Brownsville refinery adds
At 168,000 barrels/day, the new refinery would represent about a +0.9% increase in US oil refining capacity.
Important context
That's actually not trivial in absolute terms 168,000 b/d is a mid-sized refinery by modern standards, roughly comparable to a Phillips 66 or Valero mid-tier plant.
But the U.S. is actually losing capacity right now: Lyondell Basell shut its 264,000 b/d Houston refinery in early 2025, and Phillips 66 is closing its 139,000 b/d Los Angeles plant, meaning net U.S. capacity is likely falling below 18 million b/d in 2026 even with Brownsville coming online eventually.
Construction of a new refinery typically takes 57 years, so even with a 2026 groundbreaking, 168,000 b/d of new light-crude-optimized capacity likely won't be online until 20312032 at the earliest.
In short: meaningful but modest in percentage terms, and years away from actually producing a drop.
Here's another question I asked:
Is there anything in this whole arrangement that dictates that the newly-refined oil WILL be considered the property of the USA itself/must be sold here? Or could it simply be used to refine the shale oil so it can be exported to a larger array of foreign countries (other than the ones you mentioned that can specifically refine this light sweet, that we normally export a lot of it to?). Also, who the heck are AFR? Bunch of friends of Trump's, I'd imagine?
Both of your instincts here are sharp, and the answers are somewhat unsettling if you care about the "America First" branding.
No domestic sale requirement
There is no known legal obligation requiring the refinery's output to be sold in the U.S. In fact, the publicly announced structure points in the opposite direction Reliance Industries of India signed a binding 20-year offtake agreement, meaning Reliance has committed to buying the refined products that come out of this refinery. So the business model, as structured, is essentially: take American shale oil, refine it in Texas, and ship the refined products to India (or wherever Reliance directs them). Trump's Truth Social post says it will "supply U.S. markets," but there's no legal mechanism announced that enforces that.
This is actually a legitimate policy gap the U.S. has no domestic refining obligation law analogous to what some other countries have enacted. For comparison, Nigeria literally had to pass legislation (the Petroleum Industry Act) to force producers to supply domestic refineries before exporting. The U.S. has nothing like that.
Who is AFR?
Your instinct is right this has significant political connectivity:
John V. Calce Chairman, Founder & CEO; originally launched this as Element Fuels Holdings, a Dallas-area startup, back in 2024. The AFR website literally still hosts old Element Fuels press releases.
* Nick Ayers described as "incoming Chairman and early investor." If that name sounds familiar, it's because Ayers was Chief of Staff to Vice President Mike Pence (20172019) and was briefly floated as Trump's own Chief of Staff. He's now on the boards of multiple investment vehicles and is a founding partner of a SPAC.
* Trey Griggs President; former president of Calpine Corp and former Managing Director at Goldman Sachs running North American Energy Risk Management.
* Cantor Fitzgerald the financial advisor. Howard Lutnick, CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald, is Trump's Secretary of Commerce.
So to directly answer your question: this is a Dallas startup that rebranded with politically resonant language, whose "incoming Chairman" is a well-connected Trump-world Republican operative, advised by the firm whose CEO is currently in Trump's cabinet. Whether that means corruption or just savvy political alignment is in the eye of the beholder, but the connections are real and dense.
No domestic sale requirement
There is no known legal obligation requiring the refinery's output to be sold in the U.S. In fact, the publicly announced structure points in the opposite direction Reliance Industries of India signed a binding 20-year offtake agreement, meaning Reliance has committed to buying the refined products that come out of this refinery. So the business model, as structured, is essentially: take American shale oil, refine it in Texas, and ship the refined products to India (or wherever Reliance directs them). Trump's Truth Social post says it will "supply U.S. markets," but there's no legal mechanism announced that enforces that.
This is actually a legitimate policy gap the U.S. has no domestic refining obligation law analogous to what some other countries have enacted. For comparison, Nigeria literally had to pass legislation (the Petroleum Industry Act) to force producers to supply domestic refineries before exporting. The U.S. has nothing like that.
Who is AFR?
Your instinct is right this has significant political connectivity:
John V. Calce Chairman, Founder & CEO; originally launched this as Element Fuels Holdings, a Dallas-area startup, back in 2024. The AFR website literally still hosts old Element Fuels press releases.
* Nick Ayers described as "incoming Chairman and early investor." If that name sounds familiar, it's because Ayers was Chief of Staff to Vice President Mike Pence (20172019) and was briefly floated as Trump's own Chief of Staff. He's now on the boards of multiple investment vehicles and is a founding partner of a SPAC.
* Trey Griggs President; former president of Calpine Corp and former Managing Director at Goldman Sachs running North American Energy Risk Management.
* Cantor Fitzgerald the financial advisor. Howard Lutnick, CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald, is Trump's Secretary of Commerce.
So to directly answer your question: this is a Dallas startup that rebranded with politically resonant language, whose "incoming Chairman" is a well-connected Trump-world Republican operative, advised by the firm whose CEO is currently in Trump's cabinet. Whether that means corruption or just savvy political alignment is in the eye of the beholder, but the connections are real and dense.
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