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Showing Original Post only (View all)Krugman's Perspective on the Deal [View all]
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/01/perspective-on-the-deal/The good news for progressives is that danger #1 has been averted, at least so far and not without a lot of anxiety first. Romney lost, so nothing like the Ryan plan is on the table until President Santorum takes office, or something. Meanwhile, in 2011 Obama was willing to raise the Medicare age, in 2012 to cut Social Security benefits; but luckily the extremists of the right scuttled both deals. There are no cuts in benefits in this deal.
The bad news is that the deal falls short on making up for the revenue lost due to the Bush tax cuts. Here, though, its important to put the numbers in perspective. Obama wasnt going to let all the Bush tax cuts go away in any case; only the high-end cuts were on the table. Getting all of those ended would have yielded something like $800 billion; he actually got around $600 billion. How big a difference does that make?
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So why the bad taste in progressives mouths? It has less to do with where Obama ended up than with how he got there. He kept drawing lines in the sand, then erasing them and retreating to a new position. And his evident desire to have a deal before hitting the essentially innocuous fiscal cliff bodes very badly for the confrontation looming in a few weeks over the debt ceiling.
If Obama stands his ground in that confrontation, this deal wont look bad in retrospect. If he doesnt, yesterday will be seen as the day he began throwing away his presidency and the hopes of everyone who supported him.
I saw the same point made by Brian Beutler in a tweet last night. If Obama stands firm and refuses to negotiate on the debt ceiling -- which is what Biden was assuring Democratic senators would happen -- then this fiscal cliff deal was pretty good.
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That's right. The flip side of negotiation is appeasement. As the UK learned in the late 30s, the
coalition_unwilling
Jan 2013
#49
Yeah, I'm okay with this latest deal. But I was also okay with going off the cliff, and thought
Honeycombe8
Jan 2013
#74
I'm ok with this temporary deal, although the estate tax is now permanent.
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2013
#10
The difference is in the short-term effects versus the long-term effects.
Jackpine Radical
Jan 2013
#19
No, the effects of climate change and good predictive evidence on the other points are clear enough
alcibiades_mystery
Jan 2013
#48
If President Obama can't stand firm on raising the debt ceiling, the Senate Democrats must.
RickFromMN
Jan 2013
#9
It is sad that so few at DU understand this, even though it is right out in the open
BlueStreak
Jan 2013
#58
Krugman is expert at using multivariable calculus and differential equations to describe the economy
stevenleser
Jan 2013
#64
I think Krugman is right. And also that Obama is infinitely smarter than his political foes.
Zen Democrat
Jan 2013
#41
Not a dime. They kicked that down the road, and it will get caught up in the next hostage-taking
BlueStreak
Jan 2013
#59
But at the same time they did this nominal increase in tax rates, they also gave multi-millionaires
BlueStreak
Jan 2013
#60
I love that you and the other "pragmatic" third wayers are throwing Sanders' name around.
MessiahRp
Jan 2013
#78
I'm not a "3rd wayer", but nice try at deflection. You have no explanation so you attack.
stevenleser
Jan 2013
#81
I've seen a number of people who attack Sanders at every turn, bandy his name about today
MessiahRp
Jan 2013
#90
If that is your theory then why get sore at the natural responses to getting poked?
TheKentuckian
Jan 2013
#71
"...evident desire to have a deal before hitting the essentially innocuous fiscal cliff
Egalitarian Thug
Jan 2013
#75
Bad taste in what progressives' mouths?? I think most of the progs who wanted Bush Tax Cuts expire
Leopolds Ghost
Jan 2013
#79